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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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      right

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      um thank you

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      um apologies er dave smith er couldn't come

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      that's due to the change of the date of the meeting and we've
      had the message from thomas

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      any <drawls>others?</drawls> <,,>

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      <drawls>um</drawls> minutes of the last meeting

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      people agree for <.>li</.> kindly done for us by <,,> <sighs>jenny</sighs>

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      um <,> any corrections

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      they seem perfectly good minutes to me thank you very much

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      so they're confirmed <,,>

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      um the next item is <?>four</?> workloads and assessment um that
      draft report of the academic committee that we <&>1:00</&> had
      to report on

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      um i sent you all a copy of <,> <O>voc</O> the draft of what
      we'd come up with in our discussion and the only response i got
      i think was from thomas who suggested <drawls>um</drawls> <&>sighs</&>

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      now i have to find my final copy so that i can tell you um one
      change

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      well it wasn't really a change it was just he made a point which
      i incorporated somewhat lazily as an extra point rather than
      trying to rewrite the whole thing

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      er so i er apart from minor changes in wording i added a note
      general at the end pointing out that our point about um
      <,,><&>3</&> the overlap of activity between the registry and
      the workloads and assessment committee needing to be addressed

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      <{><[>needed</[>

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      <[>er</[></{> needing <{1><[1>to be</[1> addressed

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      it was actually five three john on our on the original draft as
      it were <,>

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      er yeah <{2><[2>er</[2> our point six one which for those who
      haven't got that with them <drawls>um</drawls> about um the
      workload implications of whatever it was they were suggesting
      i've forgotten now and er SEVEN one <,> <drawls>er</drawls>
      about the need that this committee would have <.>f</.> or such a
      committee would have for extra help if we were to take on extra
      tasks er really er were related points

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      well thomas suggested that they were so i just put <reads>our
      responses to these come together if areas of overlap could be
      cut back and if we were to have more clerical slash technical
      assistance we could probably increase our usefulness to the
      faculty on questions of policy</reads>

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      that was you know something that <.>no</.> so i mean i think
      thomas' point was a good one so i just added it

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      if you'd like um john i'll give <&>3:00</&> <.>it</.> you can
      copy it from here

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      that <{3><[3>would</[3> really do it <?>sufficently</?> <,,>

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      so that's gone

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      um i don't think that's going to be discussed at faculty

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      it think that'll just be forwarded to academic committee by the
      look of it

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      <[1><?>needing</?></[1></{1> <&>2:00</&>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      <[3>yes</[3></{3>

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      mhm

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      um people content with that? <,>

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      um the examination statistics work you'll see that i advertised
      for a research assistant and we've now um as it were <.>appoi</.>
      well we have appointed um somebody

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      her name is sunita <&>spells name</&> rajan <&>spells name</&>

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      and um she has just done a master of well m m s at massey

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      what is that? <O>laughs</O> <,,>

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      <{><[><O>laughs</O></[>

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      <[>management</[></{>

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      management science? <latch> science

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      <{1><[1>i think</[1> yes yes

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      and she has <O>voc</O> er <.>a</.> <.>a</.> and a project that
      she did for that er was actually a survey of um where <.>o</.>
      of the qualifications of people leaving university and what they
      did

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      so in other words she's got quite a lot of experience at at
      handling er statistics and interpreting them

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      and er she actually gave me

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      er she's <.>tr</.> turning her project into smaller publications
      for a range of professional journals

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      she's selecting from what she's done the information relevant to
      that profession and er writing up um you know to getting
      publications that way

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      um and so she gave me a copy of something that she's just
      published in a <.>mag</.> magazine called new zealand
      engineering so i thought i'd just pass it round just gives you a
      sense of sunita i suppose

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      um and she's as keen as mustard so i have the feeling that er
      once she gets going it will be extremely interesting that she
      will be <&>5:00</&> very very um good

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      and er we might be able to er to find out a lot through her

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      but um at the moment um we've just sort of been held up by
      problems like we've got

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      she would like to be working with <.>th</.> <.>we</.> we've got
      a hard copy of the examination statistics

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      will we want to get that on disk

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      well i've got that underway

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      somebody's going to <.>get</.>

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      but that's just what has to be complicated doesn't it

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      but eventually she <{2><[2>will get it</[2> on disk

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      it's on disk but getting it <latch>

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      <[1>yeah</[1></{1> <&>4:00</&>

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      <[2><?>she will get it to you</?></[2></{2>

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      getting it's hard <latch>

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      yeah yeah is is hard but er and then she might have to put it
      into a different form so that she can manipulate it and so forth

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      but but there's all this happening so it'll be <,> <&>sighs</&>
      perhaps a week before she's actually settled down starting
      working on our first questions

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      er but er maybe um at our next meeting depending on where we're
      at i could bring her to the meeting and we could talk with her

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      i think we're very lucky to get her for this <,>

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      so that's my report on that

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      <.>i'm</.> i want to <.>r</.>

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      as somebody suggested <&>6:00</&>

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      i think was it craig

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      that i should talk to <.>cr</.> to um the u t d c about what
      we're doing

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      well i <{><[>suggested <unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      <[>was that you pete</[></{>

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      right right <.>so</.> and i must do that and i sort have made a
      couple of feeble attempts with the telephone and not succeeded
      but i'm going to do that

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      i thought i'd take sunita as well <latch>

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      mm

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      yeah yeah

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      <sighs>um</sighs> any

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      sorry this is a meeting with just me droning on as a monologue

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      not much good you <laughs>might as well send them <{1><[1>all
      away</[1> and i'll just <{2><[2>sort of</[2> do it into that if
      you like</laughs> <O>laughs</O> <&>general laughter</&>

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      <[1><O>laughs</O></[1></{1>

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      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

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      you do it so well rachel <&>general laughter</&>

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      <sighs>oh</sighs> dear

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      item six loss of preparation time

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      you know there's this new provision er in the instructions to
      examiners

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      has anybody here actually got experience of it

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      <?>have</?> you jack?

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      the departments <latch>

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      you have <?>bought</?> <{><[>yeah</[>

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      <[>um</[></{> had

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      i was grading one oh one exams and a lot of them had little
      envelopes attached to them in which the <{1><[1>person</[1> made
      an application <{2><[2>to</[2> the course coordinator <?>louise</?>

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      i wasn't coordinating the course so she was dealing with it

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2> <&>7:00</&>

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      yeah

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      yeah <{1><[1>i had the same experience with the shakespeare</[1>
      <{2><[2>course</[2>

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      <[1><unclear>word</unclear> <?>i've had a girl</?></[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2> yeah <latch>

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      it didn't actually seem to make much difference to our marking
      in the end

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      we didn't consider the um er loss of preparation time until we'd
      done the marking and er it didn't seem to affect <{1><[1><?>with</?></[1>
      results in the least

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      <{2><[2><?>in fact</?></[2>

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      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2> well the story is that um kelly simpson asked
      me if we would survey um people's reactions to loss of
      preparation time <.>as</.> so that we got faculty's reaction

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      um i think it's one of these cases that <.>so</.> i got her to
      send out an email message to chairpersons and i've received some
      feedback

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      but um at the same time somebody sent me a thing saying well
      since i've already sent all this feedback to jenny chatswood
      i'll just summarise it for you

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      and i thought aha <O>laughs</O>

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      so i spoke to jenny who said yes she was <&>8:00</&> conducting
      a major whole university survey of the whole issue

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      and er i began to wonder really whether there was much point in
      our spending a lot of time on it <,>

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      er and said that i would we would discuss it here today and that
      i would forward to her er any any anything <.>th</.> that we had
      on it

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      but um i'm afraid that i myself am not really very au fait with
      it because i haven't had to handle

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      i wasn't doing any midyear examining so i haven't had to handle
      the whole issue

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      but um <O>tut</O> i did bring out bring some things for you

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      er darn it oh if i can find them

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      i think um in the second half i've been getting with internal
      tests <latch>

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      yes <latch>

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      i've been getting er medical certificates for loss of
      preparation time for the internal assessment <{><[><unclear>word</unclear>

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      so

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      <.>th</.></[> that is what we hadn't experienced in the first
      half but now i'm i'm getting that in the second half

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      <[>oh really?</[></{>

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      so people will hand in an essay but say i <&>9:00</&> didn't
      have enough time to do it properly

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      well <.>wi</.> well this is for

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      i <.>h</.> i have in my course two er slide tests

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      oh tests <{><[>aha</[>

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      <[>and so</[></{> for those i've been getting them not for
      essays essays people just get extensions and that sort of thing
      with their <drawls>excuses</drawls> for whatever reason <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      <[>right so it's</[></{> exactly analogous isn't it <{><[>to an
      end of year exam</[>

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      <[>yes it is yes yes</[></{> yeah

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      um what i thought you might like to see um <,> if you haven't
      already is the form that the student has to fill in

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      so shall i pass that round

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      in fact i think you can keep er these <,,><&>3</&>

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      and what else do you need to know um <,>

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      er the the statement in instructions to examiners if i can find
      it

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      yes loss of preparation time page <&>10:00</&> fifty seven to
      fifty eight <,,><&>3</&> um just says that students are now
      permitted to report quote <reads>report loss of preparation time
      before registry conducted examinations</reads>

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      but now they're doing it for the <{><[>internals as well</[>

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      <[>mm so</[></{> we'll have to mention this

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      this'll be of interest to them i think <reads>which may be taken
      into account by departments in awarding grades

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      b students will report on a standard form

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      preparation time is three weeks one form for each exam must be
      submitted to the examinations supervisor

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      form will be forwarded to the course coordinator in a
      confidential envelope

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      students are asked to take into account the circumstances
      reported</reads>

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      um er <.>g</.> er <reads>and consultation with a health
      professional doesn't automatically entitle you to an adjustment
      to the grade</reads>

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      so if anybody wants to <.>l</.> look at that

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      <?>well</?> when you got this internally did was that formal or
      was it just some <{><[>informal thing that students do</[>

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      <[>no <.>i</.> all right i i</[></{> should perhaps qualify it

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      i DID not get THIS form

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      mm <latch> <&>11:00</&> but <{><[>they approached me</[>

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      <[>no but they were</[></{> yeah <latch> with medical <{1><[1>certification
      as</[1> <drawls>to</drawls> having been ill the week <{2><[2>before
      or a</[2> <.>peri</.> yes it is <{3><[3><?>a logical extension
      from it</?> yes</[3>

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      <[1>yeah yeah</[1></{1>

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      <[2>and it's a logical</[2></{2>

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      <[3>outcome of this isn't it

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      the students are</[3></{3> interpreting the the policy <latch>

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      right <latch> <{><[>logically</[>

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      <[>but they didn't have</[></{>

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      but there is no <{><[>policy</[>

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      <[>but</[></{> <{1><[1>there's no</[1> policy

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      <{2><[2>right</[2>

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      <[1><unclear>word</unclear> one</[1></{1>

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      <[2>in terms</[2></{2> of our assessment <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      <[>internal</[></{> is it entirely up to the department

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      um it does seem to me

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      yeah well you know what my opinion is

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      i guess er what i've got back <&>sighs</&>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0795:WE>
      um i just sent out this email message

  <WSC#DGZ085:0800:WE>
      just said <drawls>um</drawls> <,> chairpersons are asked to that
      that there's been some concern over the possibility that
      students could have identical applications treated differently
      by different departments

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      this was the concern that kelly simpson passed on to me

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      and it may be that faculty will want to establish a faculty
      policy chairpersons are asked to report the experience of their
      departments along with any concerns

  <WSC#DGZ085:0815:WE>
      well all i've had <drawls>um er</drawls> is some messages from
      people saying thank GOD we didn't <&>12:00</&> have any <O>all
      laugh</O>

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      <others laugh>so i've</others laugh> got some of those and all
      of the others say it made no difference at all to the grade they
      gave <,,>

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      er and a couple of people have said it's TERRIBLY vague and it's
      about time it was er made less vague

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      so that that's really the the extent of the feedback that i've
      had

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      how could they possibly expect anybody to to interpret this in
      any way at all given what it is

  <WSC#DGZ085:0840:X3>
      i mean how can they expect consistency's just going to arise by
      some process of osmosis from this

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      well personally i think the whole idea is absolutely <{1><[1>stupid</[1>
      and i've got no sympathy <.>what</.> with it whatsoever so it's
      TERRIBLY hard for me to put my mind to it because i think it's
      philosophically unsound <{2><[2>as as as an idea</[2>

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      <[1>course</[1></{1>

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      <[2>i mean if the student</[2></{2> is <{><[>ill</[> then
      presumably you know if they're ill enough then they fall under
      the other regulations which we've always had

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      i mean <.>tha</.> but that's only when they're ill during the
      exams <latch> <[><O>coughs</O></[></{>

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      for the <{><[>exams</[>

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      <[>mm</[></{> mm <&>13:00</&>

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      well the problem for me is um is that <O>voc</O> is that we
      cannot

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      <O>voc</O> the university university teachers cannot um
      intervene between fate and a student

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      mm

  <WSC#DGZ085:0890:WE>
      you know we cannot if if fate strikes a student down with
      glandular fever we can't say how unfair we'll give them their
      degree anyway

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      because the <{1><[1>degree</[1> says something about what
      they've done which would not be true

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      and <.>tha</.>

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      this i mean sorry this is perhaps an <{2><[2>extreme</[2> way of
      putting it but this is this is my worry about the whole thing

  <WSC#DGZ085:0910:WE>
      i <?>sort <.>o</.></?> have always felt comfortable with
      aegrotats because the idea behind that is that the person has
      got everything under their belt that they should have but some
      but they couldn't front up for the exam

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      er <,> er <O>voc</O> but the idea that the student has not
      prepared but because it wasn't their fault we don't mind bothers
      me considerably <,>

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      course we don't mind and we don't judge the student for it

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      but we cannot <.>a</.> be god <&>14:00</&>

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2><O>clears throat</O></[2></{2>

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      <?>it</?> just says may be taken into account

  <WSC#DGZ085:0945:X3>
      <{1><[1>it it doesn't</[1> even say it should be or has to be
      taken into <{2><[2>account</[2> <,>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0950:X3>
      maybe someone should tell the students to stop wasting their
      time if nobody's <{3><[3>actually doing <?>this stuff marking
      things</?></[3>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0955:X3>
      <{4><[4>then they're</[4> losing more preparation <{5><[5><?>time</?>
      <unclear>word</unclear></[5>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0960:WE>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0965:WE>
      <[2>no</[2></{2> <[3><O>laughs</O></[3></{3>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0970:WE>
      <[4>well it's</[4></{4>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0975:X2>
      <[5>well i think</[5></{5> <,,>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0980:X2>
      at least in

  <WSC#DGZ085:0985:X2>
      i think in our <{1><[1>department</[1> in a way our <{2><[2>experience</[2>
      was that we did consider it but what happened was that when we
      compared the results with their other results their internal
      results or whatever there really was no no noticeable difference
      there was nothing to take <{3><[3>into</[3> account

  <WSC#DGZ085:0990:X3>
      <[1><O>clears throat</O></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ085:0995:WE>
      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1000:WE>
      <[3>yeah</[3></{3>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1005:BJ>
      mm <{><[>mm</[>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1010:X2>
      <[>and that</[></{> so that it didn't look like even with a loss
      of preparation time <{><[>the the</[> there had been a loss of
      of result

  <WSC#DGZ085:1015:WE>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1020:WE>
      <{><[>yes that</[> seems to have been everyone's experience

  <WSC#DGZ085:1025:WE>
      i mean maybe it's selecting out that very anxious kind of
      student that never feels they've done enough

  <WSC#DGZ085:1030:BJ>
      <[>mm mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1035:X2>
      mhm <&>15:00</&>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1040:WE>
      and is <.>that</.> <{1><[1>often</[1> a very <{2><[2>good</[2>
      student

  <WSC#DGZ085:1045:WE>
      <laughs>i don't know</laughs> <{3><[3>do you</[3> have a <.>f</.>
      a feeling about <laughs>this sonia</laughs>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1050:WE>
      i feel i'm i shouldn't really be sounding off on it

  <WSC#DGZ085:1055:BJ>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1060:??>
      <[2><O>coughs</O></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1065:BJ>
      <[3>mm</[3></{3>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1070:SD>
      <O>laughs</O> um i don't know

  <WSC#DGZ085:1075:SD>
      <laughs>i don't really</laughs>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1080:SD>
      i haven't really thought about it <laughs>much</laughs> <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1085:WE>
      mm

  <WSC#DGZ085:1090:SD>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGZ085:1095:WE>
      i mean i feel i'm just

  <WSC#DGZ085:1100:WE>
      er my position is obviously really i shouldn't even mention it
      because it's almost as it were been er <O>tut</O> <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1105:WE>
      <O>voc</O> the the academic committee has decided to have a
      policy on this

  <WSC#DGZ085:1110:WE>
      <{1><[1>so</[1> um they've decided that that they're not worried
      by the kind of point that i'm trying to make <,>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1115:WE>
      er and so perhaps i <.>sh</.> i should be trying to put my mind
      to how it can be turned into a good workable system but it's
      very hard if you don't have any sympathy with the basic
      principle <{2><[2><O>laughs</O></[2>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1120:BJ>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1125:BJ>
      <[2>mm mm mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1130:X3>
      well why did they do this in the first place

  <WSC#DGZ085:1135:X3>
      do you not have any <{><[>idea</[>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1140:WE>
      <[>no</[></{> <.>i</.> <{><[>well</[> what have i got here

  <WSC#DGZ085:1145:WE>
      it was a review of aegrotat policy <.>c</.> um conducted in
      nineteen ninety three under the auspices of the academic
      committee <&>16:08</&>

  <WSC#DGZ085:1150:BJ>
      <[><O>clears throat</O></[></{> <&>16:00</&>
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