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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>0:36</&>
  

  <WSC#DPC024:0005:TS>
      don't know

  <WSC#DPC024:0010:TS>
      well she said she has to work at um waitara there's a youth
      <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori> on

  <WSC#DPC024:0015:KA>
      <O>tut</O> oh <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0020:TS>
      yeah so she'll be um going to that next week

  <WSC#DPC024:0025:TS>
      but i mean monday she didn't say anything about monday or
      tuesday

  <WSC#DPC024:0030:KA>
      oh yeah <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0035:LU>
      does she still work at the women's centre

  <WSC#DPC024:0040:TS>
      um no she's sort of bowed out of the women's centre

  <WSC#DPC024:0045:TS>
      she's been doing this course in urenui that gardening access
      course <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0050:KA>
      is that <{><[>finished now</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0055:TS>
      <[>her and phoebe</[></{> lowry

  <WSC#DPC024:0060:TS>
      yeah i don't know how <&>1:00</&> much phoebe lowry actually did
      cause every time i talked to katherine i said um how's it going
      she said oh that's all <.>righ</.> it's going all right i'm just
      doing this week for phoebe lowry and then every time i'd seen
      her it would be i'm just doing this couple of days for phoebe
      she's gonna pay me or we're going <.>half</.> half and half for
      time

  <WSC#DPC024:0065:TS>
      but it always seemed that katherine was <laughs>working</laughs>
      a couple of days more for her <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0070:KA>
      she's a hard working girl

  <WSC#DPC024:0075:TS>
      katherine or phoebe

  <WSC#DPC024:0080:KA>
      katherine

  <WSC#DPC024:0085:TS>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0090:KA>
      does she like it

  <WSC#DPC024:0095:TS>
      yeah i think so

  <WSC#DPC024:0100:TS>
      phoebe said she wasn't too sure she said it was pretty hard work
      and she hadn't done it before

  <WSC#DPC024:0105:TS>
      but i don't know if she'd do it again

  <WSC#DPC024:0110:TS>
      but i think katherine will cause she's always done them eh
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0115:KA>
      yeah she's well she's sort of been part of them before i don't
      <.>think</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0120:KA>
      oh she's relieved she relieved for that course in new plymouth i
      think

  <WSC#DPC024:0125:TS>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPC024:0130:KA>
      mm

  <WSC#DPC024:0135:TS>
      it's quite good she's sort <&>pronounced as court</&> of sort of
      done quite a bit

  <WSC#DPC024:0140:TS>
      she's still doing the waitangi stuff project waitangi <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0145:KA>
      oh yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0150:TS>
      she was down in wellington <.>w</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0155:TS>
      you know when we went to that movie <title>jiu do</title>

  <WSC#DPC024:0160:KA>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPC024:0165:TS>
      <{><[>um</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0170:LU>
      <[>oh yeah</[></{> she was there

  <WSC#DPC024:0175:TS>
      yeah katherine was there

  <WSC#DPC024:0180:KA>
      oh that's right <{><[>cause</[> <.>she's</.> <.>likes</.> she's
      been in china eh <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0185:TS>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0190:TS>
      yeah but it <.>was</.> wasn't just that it <.>was</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0195:TS>
      she was down there on some <&>2:00</&> waitangi stuff and the
      week before she'd been down there too <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0200:KA>
      really

  <WSC#DPC024:0205:TS>
      so she's probably amassed quite a lot of knowledge and <,> stuff
      about <.>educating</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0210:KA>
      <{><[>oh yeah</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0215:TS>
      <[>project waitangi</[></{> stuff <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0220:KA>
      yeah i'd say so <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0225:TS>
      mm she's a good <,> woman isn't she

  <WSC#DPC024:0230:KA>
      she is

  <WSC#DPC024:0235:KA>
      and why has she bailed out the women's centre again

  <WSC#DPC024:0240:TS>
      well i don't know i think it probably that she hasn't had time
      cause she's doing that course probably <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0245:KA>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0250:TS>
      plus she used to do an enormous amount of work there <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0255:KA>
      i know but she did before originally when it used to be um <,,>
      when it was somewhere else

  <WSC#DPC024:0260:TS>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0265:KA>
      and then she kind of went out of it

  <WSC#DPC024:0270:KA>
      i think <.>w</.> she got out of when where there was a whole lot
      of conflict going on

  <WSC#DPC024:0275:TS>
      oh yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0280:KA>
      oh i don't know <.>she</.> mind you she helped sort out conflict
      quite often

  <WSC#DPC024:0285:TS>
      mm

  <WSC#DPC024:0290:KA>
      so do you see much of her

  <WSC#DPC024:0295:TS>
      no i haven't seen her for quite a while

  <WSC#DPC024:0300:TS>
      i'd like to see more of her but <,> she doesn't come round

  <WSC#DPC024:0305:TS>
      but the other day <.>the</.> um <,> took us quite a long time to
      work <.>out</.> we had this um <,> packet of chocolate biscuits
      <,> left in the letter box six of them

  <WSC#DPC024:0310:TS>
      and me and eliza we didn't want to eat them for a while because
      we <&>3:00</&> were a bit um <,,> er we <.>were</.> we were
      wondering where they came from

  <WSC#DPC024:0315:KA>
      oh

  <WSC#DPC024:0320:TS>
      yeah but anyway you know a couple of <laughs>days</laughs> <O>all
      laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:0325:TS>
      <laughs>and you want some chocolate</laughs> <O>all laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:0330:TS>
      <laughs>you don't really worry too much</laughs> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0335:LU>
      <laughs>you don't worry if they been <{><[>poisoned after you've
      ate them</laughs></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0340:KA>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0345:TS>
      <[>yeah that's right</[></{> and then about a week <{><[>later</[>
      i rang katherine and she asked me <.>w</.> if i got the
      chocolate biscuits so it was her that <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0350:KA>
      <[>yeah <unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0355:KA>
      your brother might have planted them there <O>all laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:0360:TS>
      i know <,> yeah

  <WSC#DPC024:0365:KA>
      bit of a worry

  <WSC#DPC024:0370:TS>
      mm <,> so if you know how <.>w</.> if you want to know how to do
      away with me

  <WSC#DPC024:0375:LU>
      put chocolate biscuits in your <{><[>letter box</[> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0380:TS>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0385:KA>
      that's a good idea must remember that

  <WSC#DPC024:0390:TS>
      <{><[>mm</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0395:LU>
      <[>yeah</[></{> we <.>c</.> we could kill you with <.>over</.>
      kill you with eating too much chocolate <,> overdose on
      chocolate <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0400:TS>
      oh no <.>po</.> poisoned <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0405:TS>
      oh you mean just if there was just too much chocolate

  <WSC#DPC024:0410:KA>
      put a box of them out there <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0415:TS>
      actually that's what i worry about is um <,> <{><[>eating</[>
      too <.>m</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0420:TS>
      no is i eat enormous quantities of chocolate

  <WSC#DPC024:0425:TS>
      every day i'd have chocolate <O>voc</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0430:KA>
      <[>being poisoned</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0435:KA>
      are you addicted

  <WSC#DPC024:0440:TS>
      well i don't know if i'm addicted but you know every time you
      have a bit of chocolate <.>your</.> your body has to secrete
      heaps of insulin to <&>4:00</&> deal with it

  <WSC#DPC024:0445:TS>
      and i think i'll <.>be</.> i'm sure i'll get maturity onset
      diabetes

  <WSC#DPC024:0450:KA>
      it's for the sugar that it has to <,> secrete the insulin
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0455:TS>
      yeah but i think your pancreas

  <WSC#DPC024:0460:TS>
      isn't that what they <.>th</.> that's one of the theories why
      they think people get maturity <{1><[1>onset</[1> diabetes just
      from years of <,> pancreas getting <{2><[2>tired</[2>

  <WSC#DPC024:0465:KA>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC024:0470:LU>
      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      i think chocolate has two things

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      it has that thing on your pancreas but it also cos the cocoa's a
      stimulant <,> so that kind of revs you up a bit as well <{><[>like</[>
      caffeine you know <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0485:TS>
      <[>mm</[></{> yeah <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0490:TS>
      i know i <.>try</.> i try not to eat so much eh but i just crave
      it

  <WSC#DPC024:0495:TS>
      but i think that's another thing is that when your pancreas is
      putting out a lot of insulin all the time i think it does it
      easily

  <WSC#DPC024:0500:KA>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0505:TS>
      and you like have a meal and i think it puts out too much

  <WSC#DPC024:0510:TS>
      cause i get really HUNGry for chocolate <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0515:KA>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0520:LU>
      you're probably hypoglycaemic <,> do you reckon

  <WSC#DPC024:0525:TS>
      <{><[>yeah</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0530:KA>
      <[>i just</[></{> think you're addicted to chocolate <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0535:TS>
      no i could be a little bit because you know when i went to anna
      bear she thought that i could be hypoglycaemic

  <WSC#DPC024:0540:KA>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0545:TS>
      i could <.>not</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0550:TS>
      not bad not like i'd go off and have convulsions if i <laughs>didn't
      get <{><[>chocolate</laughs></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0555:KA>
      <[>no</[></{> but just like beth and like <.>i've</.> have been
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0560:TS>
      yeah but probably not as bad as beth <&>5:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC024:0565:TS>
      <{><[>probably</[> if i had a decent diet i'd be bloody healthy
      AS <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0570:LU>
      <[>no</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0575:KA>
      you DO don't you <,,> except for your chocolate?

  <WSC#DPC024:0580:TS>
      yeah i suppose i do basically

  <WSC#DPC024:0585:TS>
      i have a lot of cheese and that

  <WSC#DPC024:0590:TS>
      <{><[>that's</[> pretty fatty

  <WSC#DPC024:0595:KA>
      <[>yeah</[></{> <,,> yeah but you seem to tolerate it

  <WSC#DPC024:0600:KA>
      you're a healthy girl

  <WSC#DPC024:0605:TS>
      mm yeah i am <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0610:LU>
      that in the i <.>s</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0615:LU>
      i looked in a photo of you oh on kay's tape

  <WSC#DPC024:0620:LU>
      your legs look skinny eh that photo when we were walking along
      like that

  <WSC#DPC024:0625:TS>
      i know <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0630:LU>
      well we both look skinny

  <WSC#DPC024:0635:TS>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0640:LU>
      you were much skinnier in those days were you do you reckon

  <WSC#DPC024:0645:TS>
      you're skinny now

  <WSC#DPC024:0650:LU>
      no i <.>was</.>

  <WSC#DPC024:0655:LU>
      i don't think i'm skinnier now than i was then

  <WSC#DPC024:0660:TS>
      oh don't you

  <WSC#DPC024:0665:LU>
      no

  <WSC#DPC024:0670:KA>
      you were skinny when you were in auckland weren't you <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0675:LU>
      YEAH

  <WSC#DPC024:0680:TS>
      no i WASN'T

  <WSC#DPC024:0685:LU>
      you had a very skinny patch there

  <WSC#DPC024:0690:TS>
      oh i WAS NEVER skinny

  <WSC#DPC024:0695:KA>
      <O>laughs</O> skinny <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0700:LU>
      <laughs>SKINNY</laughs>

  <WSC#DPC024:0705:TS>
      <O>voc</O> stupid word <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0710:LU>
      it's going a bit far isn't it

  <WSC#DPC024:0715:TS>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPC024:0720:KA>
      yeah i'm skinny now eh <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0725:LU>
      you're lean ginny said you were lean kay <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0730:KA>
      oh <{><[>that's nice can't have been me</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0735:TS>
      <[>hey that's what i was

  <WSC#DPC024:0740:TS>
      um</[></{> <,,> we listened to dale spender eh talk on the radio
      as well

  <WSC#DPC024:0745:TS>
      did <.>y</.> did you see her <{><[>in auckland</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0750:KA>
      <[>i never</[></{> went to see her cause we went to um <,,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0755:KA>
      nellie had sharly and janey for over dinner that night so we
      didn't

  <WSC#DPC024:0760:TS>
      what was she doing there <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0765:KA>
      oh she was just speaking <,> she <{><[>was <.>sp</.></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0770:TS>
      <[>she wasn't</[></{> brought over by a <{><[>fairly special
      conference <.>or</.></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0775:KA>
      <[>oh no i think</[></{> she might have been brought over for
      the um new zealand listener awards or something

  <WSC#DPC024:0780:TS>
      oh really for BOOKS

  <WSC#DPC024:0785:KA>
      <.>women</.> don't they <.>ho</.> you know <.>th</.> how they
      had that <.>women's</.> <,,> they had some women's literary
      thing by the listener

  <WSC#DPC024:0790:LU>
      oh no yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0795:KA>
      each <{><[>year</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0800:LU>
      <[>mm</[></{> yeah oh it was <.>tha</.> oh she was here for that
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0805:KA>
      yeah i think she was here for that but she was speaking at the
      women's bookshop up there

  <WSC#DPC024:0810:KA>
      no she wasn't she was speaking at auckland girls grammar or
      something

  <WSC#DPC024:0815:KA>
      and sam who um sharly and una um stay with she went and she came
      back and told us quite a lot about it <,,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0820:KA>
      she said that she was really kind of um <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0825:KA>
      like she's het

  <WSC#DPC024:0830:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0835:KA>
      <{><[>dale spender</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0840:TS>
      <[>uh huh</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0845:LU>
      she is <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0850:TS>
      she's not she's a lesbian <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0855:LU>
      no <{><[>she's not</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0860:KA>
      <[>she's het</[></{> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0865:TS>
      she's a <{><[>LESBIAN she's a lesbian</[> she's a lesbian she
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0870:LU>
      <[>she's not she was the one i</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0875:KA>
      <[>she <unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0880:LU>
      how do you know

  <WSC#DPC024:0885:TS>
      BECAUSE i know two australian women that move <&>7:00</&> in
      those kind of circles and they say she's a dyke <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0890:LU>
      <{><[>no</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0895:KA>
      <[>she</[></{> SAID at this thing that she's been living with a
      man for many <{><[>years</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0900:LU>
      <[>yeah</[></{> she said on the radio that i heard on the <{><[><.>r</.></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0905:TS>
      <[>yeah</[></{> but living with a man but she's not sleeping
      with him <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0910:KA>
      <{><[>no no she</[> meant that

  <WSC#DPC024:0915:LU>
      <[>no no</[></{> she's been in a relationship with a man for
      ages

  <WSC#DPC024:0920:LU>
      cause i read her book <title>scribbling sisters</title> you know
      her letters between her and her sister <{><[>lynne</[> spender
      <,> she's definitely straight in that <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0925:KA>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0930:KA>
      and yet you know she was saying stuff like um <,> how <.>me</.>
      you know like to the effect that all men are terrible and even
      boy children and stuff like that

  <WSC#DPC024:0935:LU>
      <drawls>mm</drawls>

  <WSC#DPC024:0940:KA>
      it was really weird

  <WSC#DPC024:0945:KA>
      i reckon you often get that with feminists they <.>re</.> i mean
      they kind of <,> have a <{><[>lot <.>more</.></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0950:LU>
      <[>straight feminists?</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0955:TS>
      what <{><[>feminists</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0960:LU>
      <[>straight</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:0965:KA>
      <[>yeah straight</[></{> sorry <,> straight feminists

  <WSC#DPC024:0970:TS>
      <{><[>well</[> i know especially her because she's ULTRA
      political <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0975:LU>
      <[>well</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:0980:KA>
      yeah but <,> it's sort of weird the way straight women the way
      they put down men so much

  <WSC#DPC024:0985:KA>
      i suppose lesbians don't talk about them so much <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:0990:TS>
      no cause we don't have to even worry about the politics of men
      <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:0995:TS>
      well we don't have to worry about them in personal <,,><&>3</&>
      do we <&>8:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC024:1000:LU>
      <{1><[1>well we</[1> do in a <{2><[2>way

  <WSC#DPC024:1005:LU>
      we've got brothers and fathers</[2>

  <WSC#DPC024:1010:KA>
      <[1><unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC024:1015:TS>
      <[2>well imagine if i had a guy living</[2></{2> here

  <WSC#DPC024:1020:TS>
      yous would come around and you'd sneer every time i made him a
      cup of coffee <{><[>or</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1025:LU>
      <[>we</[></{> wouldn't come around here

  <WSC#DPC024:1030:LU>
      i mean it wouldn't be a problem <O>all laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:1035:KA>
      <{><[>no you wouldn't have a man here <,> face it</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1040:LU>
      <[>no but we <,> we still have</[></{> we still got you know we
      still got to worry about men like <.>br</.> we got brothers and
      fathers and people like that <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1045:KA>
      <{><[>but we don't <unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1050:TS>
      <[>but you</[></{> don't have to in a personal sense <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1055:KA>
      and <{><[>she going on about</[> um like there's two dykes up
      north who are on a dairy farm and <.>they've</.> <.>one</.> one
      of them's got a son and <.>he</.> <O>voc</O> like if he brings
      home a mate or something like that and there might be a whole
      room of women <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1060:LU>
      <[>that's still personal</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:1065:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1070:KA>
      like they've got friends up there or something like that but
      they just take over <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1075:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1080:KA>
      they sort of <.>teenage</.> two or three teenage boys sort of
      just dominate the room <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1085:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1090:KA>
      and they were going you know she was going on about <{><[>male
      children</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1095:TS>
      <[>dale spender said</[></{> that?

  <WSC#DPC024:1100:KA>
      yeah <,> no no no no no <,> someone ann was talking to one of
      those women <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:1105:KA>
      um and she was saying even like for male children you know <,,>

  <WSC#DPC024:1110:TS>
      they take over?

  <WSC#DPC024:1115:TS>
      <{1><[1><{2><[2>oh well</[1> it's TRUE</[2> it's completely true
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1120:KA>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC024:1125:LU>
      <[2>yeah boys they even babies yeah</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC024:1130:LU>
      that's right <.>i</.> i totally agree with that <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1135:TS>
      there's a saying reflecting men at twice <&>9:00</&> their size

  <WSC#DPC024:1140:TS>
      and that's what women do in conversation with men

  <WSC#DPC024:1145:TS>
      oh really and then what did you do

  <WSC#DPC024:1150:TS>
      all this thing encouraging men to talk <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1155:KA>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1160:TS>
      and oh that sounds interesting and <,> you know that's just what
      we're trained to do <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1165:LU>
      well i remember when i was growing up reading you know teen girl
      magazines saying how you should get a boyfriend was by being a
      good listener

  <WSC#DPC024:1170:TS>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1175:LU>
      and i reckon they still do that probably <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1180:TS>
      and that's the thing listening skills aren't valued as well
      because women are really good listeners <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:1185:TS>
      we're trained to

  <WSC#DPC024:1190:TS>
      i mean i know i'm not <O>all laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:1195:TS>
      oh i don't know something went wrong with my upbringing <O>all
      laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:1200:KA>
      you're not <{><[>bad</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1205:LU>
      <[>no</[></{> wonder you're a lesbian you're such a bad listener
      you had to be

  <WSC#DPC024:1210:KA>
      <O>laughs</O> yeah couldn't get a boyfriend <O>all laugh</O>

  <WSC#DPC024:1215:TS>
      that's right <,>

  <WSC#DPC024:1220:TS>
      <.>but</.> but listening isn't valued like talking is valued and
      what you say is valued but listening being able to pick out what
      people are actually saying isn't a value because our society
      doesn't recognise it <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1225:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1230:TS>
      cause it's what women are good at <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1235:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1240:TS>
      that's also what dale spender says

  <WSC#DPC024:1245:KA>
      yeah i think she said some quite good things <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1250:TS>
      oh yeah and she said that most girls at high school would rather
      be thin than brainy <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1255:LU>
      yeah i heard the same interview i think <latch> <&>10:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC024:1260:TS>
      <{><[>yeah</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1265:KA>
      <[>yeah</[></{> that's right and yeah that's what ann was saying

  <WSC#DPC024:1270:KA>
      she said that <,> um <,> how <,> sort of women are missing out
      on the sort of power and that now <.>it's</.> it's through
      technology <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1275:LU>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1280:KA>
      like men are sort of really clued <.>ab</.> up about computers
      and stuff like that <{1><[1>and</[1> they're all learning about
      it and stuff like that and that's <.>whe</.> kind of the access
      to all the knowledge is now <{2><[2>it's</[2> on computer
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1285:TS>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC024:1290:LU>
      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC024:1295:TS>
      <{><[>yeah that's right</[>

  <WSC#DPC024:1300:TS>
      because she said even though women are now the cornerstone for
      the book market reading novels and that

  <WSC#DPC024:1305:LU>
      <[>it is</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC024:1310:KA>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1315:TS>
      you know like women's press and <?>steaming ahead</?> they're
      doing really well <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1320:KA>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1325:TS>
      she said <.>it</.> and <.>that</.> in <.>the</.> <,> i don't
      know in another generation that would have been really good that
      men had all the books

  <WSC#DPC024:1330:KA>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC024:1335:TS>
      but now it's the technology <.>that</.> <,> <{1><[1>that</[1>
      women <,> <{2><[2>need</[2>

  <WSC#DPC024:1340:KA>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC024:1345:LU>
      <[2>oh so</[2></{2> <{1><[1>so that we haven't made</[1> any
      gains <{2><[2>because <,> technology's</[2> going ahead of us

  <WSC#DPC024:1350:KA>
      <[1>yeah like <unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC024:1355:TS>
      <[2>well we've got our books</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC024:1360:TS>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPC024:1365:LU>
      mm <&>10:47</&>
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