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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>0:48</&>
  

  <WSC#DPC233:0005:LD>
      yeah i was <,> i wasn't sure when i heard about winston peters
      actually um saying he was going <&>1:00</&> to form his own
      party

  <WSC#DPC233:0010:LD>
      i think that it was more selfserving actually than than for the
      good of new zealand

  <WSC#DPC233:0015:LD>
      what do you think of him as a politician

  <WSC#DPC233:0020:MQ>
      er astute but um more of a politician than a statesman

  <WSC#DPC233:0025:LD>
      <{><[>mm</[> yeah mm

  <WSC#DPC233:0030:NT>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0035:NT>
      yes well his timing seems to be sort of the <.>he</.> <.>a</.>
      the art of sort of um

  <WSC#DPC233:0040:NT>
      keeping people on this <O>voc</O> in suspense isn't he really

  <WSC#DPC233:0045:LD>
      <O>tut</O> i thought i thought that the the audience he was he
      was aiming at wasn't really

  <WSC#DPC233:0050:LD>
      he was aiming at people who were gullible enough into believing
      that that he was he was going to save them from all sorts of
      ills

  <WSC#DPC233:0055:LD>
      people who didn't have much idea what was going on <?>in the
      economic</?> situation <?>now</?>

  <WSC#DPC233:0060:LD>
      didn't think he was kind of aiming at at people who were well
      educated or anything like that

  <WSC#DPC233:0065:LD>
      <softly>attitude</softly> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0070:NT>
      you mean sort of messianic er sort of thing

  <WSC#DPC233:0075:NT>
      <{><[><?>you know</?></[> the <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0080:LD>
      <[>YES</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0085:LD>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0090:NT>
      um well i don't know

  <WSC#DPC233:0095:NT>
      in his tauranga electorate um <.>mi</.> er probably some sort of

  <WSC#DPC233:0100:NT>
      it's fairly conservative <&>2:00</&> electorate

  <WSC#DPC233:0105:NT>
      a lot of older people there who've um

  <WSC#DPC233:0110:NT>
      i mean it's sort of i think we've got to the stage with national
      and labour where it's sort of a plague on both your houses and
      <{1><[1>so anybody</[1> <{2><[2>who</[2> offers an alternative
      is going to be listened to

  <WSC#DPC233:0115:LD>
      <[1><O>laughs</O></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:0120:LD>
      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC233:0125:MQ>
      and there's a high proportion of retired people in tauranga

  <WSC#DPC233:0130:MQ>
      <{><[>and</[> the retired people have been lied to by both the
      main parties on superannuation and so on

  <WSC#DPC233:0135:LD>
      <[>oh</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0140:LD>
      mm

  <WSC#DPC233:0145:MQ>
      er <,>

  <WSC#DPC233:0150:MQ>
      can i go into this a bit more er <.>w</.> with <{1><[1>the</[1>
      bolger

  <WSC#DPC233:0155:MQ>
      now when he er when he said to <?>them</?> that they couldn't
      deliver on their promises

  <WSC#DPC233:0160:MQ>
      which were to abolish the surtax <{2><[2>and</[2> instead they
      slashed the benefits

  <WSC#DPC233:0165:MQ>
      he gave as one of his main reasons the debacle at the bank of
      new zealand

  <WSC#DPC233:0170:MQ>
      that they had to bail the bank of new zealand out <,>

  <WSC#DPC233:0175:MQ>
      now it so happens <.>th</.> that the bulk of the money they paid
      to <O>voc</O> er bail out the bank of new zealand

  <WSC#DPC233:0180:MQ>
      they received an interest rate of fifteen percent which is a
      mighty high interest rate <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0185:LD>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:0190:LD>
      <[2><O>exhales</O></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC233:0195:LD>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0200:MQ>
      and is very different from the impression that <&>3:00</&> there
      had to be a taxpayer handout without recompense

  <WSC#DPC233:0205:MQ>
      the cash flow they got from the bank of new zealand er WOULD
      have been enough <.>s</.> to sustain the er benefits after a er
      after a pause of a couple of months or so

  <WSC#DPC233:0210:MQ>
      it wasn't the <.>he</.> handout but er the impression was given

  <WSC#DPC233:0215:MQ>
      and so there was a there was a real deception there

  <WSC#DPC233:0220:LD>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0225:MQ>
      and er winston peters has capitalised on that

  <WSC#DPC233:0230:MQ>
      and er i do believe him when he says that there are things in
      the bank of new zealand which haven't been um revealed and er
      that um <O>tut</O> justified an inquiry

  <WSC#DPC233:0235:NT>
      do you think er jack that this um business

  <WSC#DPC233:0240:NT>
      <.>th</.> <.>th</.> BANK of new zealand officials themselves are
      keeping um quiet on this er fifteen percent in case other things
      come out in the wash then

  <WSC#DPC233:0245:MQ>
      oh no there's no <.>s</.> there's no secret about it <&>4:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC233:0250:MQ>
      it's just that that impression has been given politically

  <WSC#DPC233:0255:MQ>
      <?>no</?> before the bank of new zealand er takeover <.>her</.>
      i rang one of them to get the particulars of it of <{1><[1>that</[1>

  <WSC#DPC233:0260:MQ>
      and er he was quite open about it

  <WSC#DPC233:0265:MQ>
      it's er rather complex

  <WSC#DPC233:0270:MQ>
      the bulk of the money was um <O>tut</O> to be er interest rate
      was to be paid at fifteen percent by the bank of new zealand and
      <.>d</.> this was done by forfeiting their tax free status

  <WSC#DPC233:0275:MQ>
      <?>i mean</?> companies normally pay <{2><[2>taxation</[2>

  <WSC#DPC233:0280:LD>
      <[1>mhm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:0285:LD>
      <[2>right</[2></{2> mhm

  <WSC#DPC233:0290:MQ>
      but the bank of new zealand er well it didn't have to pay tax
      because of accumulated losses <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0295:LD>
      <O>exhales</O>

  <WSC#DPC233:0300:MQ>
      er well they forfeited that tax free status and that was the
      mechanism by which the <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0305:LD>
      right <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0310:MQ>
      fifteen percent was paid back

  <WSC#DPC233:0315:MQ>
      now i think the balance was largely in shares on which a
      dividend was paid

  <WSC#DPC233:0320:MQ>
      so the overall return to the government

  <WSC#DPC233:0325:LD>
      <softly>mhm</softly> <latch> was i think considerably above
      <&>5:00</&> the normal ruling rate of interest at the time they
      er came into office

  <WSC#DPC233:0330:LD>
      but but why do you think that winston peters is picking up on
      this

  <WSC#DPC233:0335:LD>
      i mean surely YES he agrees that it's been a debacle

  <WSC#DPC233:0340:LD>
      but why is he picking up on it is it for <.>h</.> out of his
      concern for his electorate or is it because he wants to use it
      for his own political purposes

  <WSC#DPC233:0345:MQ>
      <O>tut</O> i think it's a mixture

  <WSC#DPC233:0350:MQ>
      i <.>res</.> once read a book er which er er noted with approval
      the saying the recognition that all motives are mixed is the
      beginning of all wisdom

  <WSC#DPC233:0355:LD>
      <{><[><O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0360:NT>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{> <,,>

  <WSC#DPC233:0365:LD>
      <O>exhales</O> <O>inhales</O> yeah probably quite true

  <WSC#DPC233:0370:NT>
      but how long can he hold this charisma of the <{><[>people</[>
      is another question because i mean um

  <WSC#DPC233:0375:NT>
      the the announcement of the um <O>inhales</O> new zealand first
      party has been very short on um er <.>sis</.>

  <WSC#DPC233:0380:NT>
      mm i always get this word muddled up <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0385:LD>
      <[>MM</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0390:MQ>
      specific <{><[>facts</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0395:NT>
      <[>facts</[></{> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0400:LD>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0405:NT>
      and um er er er <.>he</.> he's got to sort of go to a lot more
      detail

  <WSC#DPC233:0410:NT>
      and whether he can follow up with <&>6:00</&> effective
      candidates who'll sort of er be sufficient BACK up for him

  <WSC#DPC233:0415:NT>
      or whether it's just going to be a one colt <{><[>party</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0420:LD>
      <[>yeah well</[></{> that's the thing isn't it er

  <WSC#DPC233:0425:LD>
      they they said that everyone wants winston peters for their own
      electorate

  <WSC#DPC233:0430:LD>
      but there's only one winston peters and tauranga got to him
      first

  <WSC#DPC233:0435:LD>
      so how is he going to get these people in these electorates

  <WSC#DPC233:0440:NT>
      <{><[>mm</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0445:MQ>
      <[>well</[></{> er i <.>nota</.> noticed today there's um one
      highly prospective who er is um <,> er reasonably well known

  <WSC#DPC233:0450:MQ>
      that's er ian shearer

  <WSC#DPC233:0455:LD>
      is that right

  <WSC#DPC233:0460:MQ>
      <{1><[1>yep</[1> <{2><[2>it was in the</[2> sunday star today

  <WSC#DPC233:0465:LD>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:0470:NT>
      <[2>is that right</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC233:0475:NT>
      really

  <WSC#DPC233:0480:MQ>
      the <.>t</.> er <.>e</.> there's a suggestion that he he could
      well be a candidate for deputy leader

  <WSC#DPC233:0485:MQ>
      <{><[>and</[> onehunga is a fairly likely electorate for him

  <WSC#DPC233:0490:LD>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0495:LD>
      <O>tut</O> because winston peters did say i think it was on
      friday that <.>he</.> he was fairly sure of getting onehunga as
      well

  <WSC#DPC233:0500:LD>
      but he wasn't going to reveal who his candidate was

  <WSC#DPC233:0505:NT>
      well <,,> mm mm

  <WSC#DPC233:0510:MQ>
      yes so <.>th</.> that made me take things more seriously

  <WSC#DPC233:0515:LD>
      yeah and i saw that they edged out the alliance <&>7:00</&> for
      third place in the first opinion poll

  <WSC#DPC233:0520:LD>
      but but people were expecting a lot more of it

  <WSC#DPC233:0525:LD>
      i'm i'm not sure what to expect from the new zealand first party

  <WSC#DPC233:0530:LD>
      <{1><[1>people</[1> seem to think <.>th</.> <{2><[2>they're</[2>
      a credible party for <.>l</.> governorship

  <WSC#DPC233:0535:LD>
      but i i <{3><[3><?>tend to</?> <unclear>word</unclear> <?>no</?></[3>

  <WSC#DPC233:0540:MQ>
      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:0545:MQ>
      <[2><?>but</?></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC233:0550:MQ>
      <[3>i don't i don't take that too</[3></{3> seriously because er
      it's er

  <WSC#DPC233:0555:MQ>
      the opinion polls after they've been going for about a month or
      <?>more</?> give a better idea <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0560:LD>
      mm mm i don't <.>th</.>

  <WSC#DPC233:0565:LD>
      i don't rate the success of the new zealand first party
      personally

  <WSC#DPC233:0570:LD>
      i think people always tend to go back to the tried and true when
      a general election comes by

  <WSC#DPC233:0575:MQ>
      i don't know about <{><[>this one</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0580:NT>
      <[><drawls>oh</drawls></[></{> i don't know about that

  <WSC#DPC233:0585:NT>
      i think people were sort of absolutely fed up with the um first
      past the post er system and so on like that or despite peter
      shirtcliffe's <{><[>advertisements</[> and so on

  <WSC#DPC233:0590:LD>
      <[><exhales>oh</exhales></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0595:MQ>
      well um i come back to <laughs>tried</laughs> and true

  <WSC#DPC233:0600:MQ>
      um the point is that the two major parties have been tried and
      found untrue <,,>

  <WSC#DPC233:0605:LD>
      oh <.>but</.> i think i think there is a a <.>c</.> almost a
      consensus among <.>a</.> among most people that <&>8:00</&> that
      what they did needed to be done

  <WSC#DPC233:0610:LD>
      and yes they did it in an underhand method but we did need to
      get ourselves out of the financial straits we were in that's the

  <WSC#DPC233:0615:LD>
      that's the kind of undercurrent that in the circles i've been
      moving in is is the thing

  <WSC#DPC233:0620:LD>
      okay we don't like having to pay huge student fees and we don't
      like the the big big hurts that have been done to the people but
      they were necessary in a way to get new zealand out of the
      trouble it's in

  <WSC#DPC233:0625:MQ>
      er okay buying that to a degree

  <WSC#DPC233:0630:MQ>
      was it necessary to er go about it the way it's been done with
      the deception and so on <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0635:LD>
      mm

  <WSC#DPC233:0640:LD>
      <{><[>yes yeah mm</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0645:MQ>
      <[>a lot of <.>dama</.> a great</[></{> deal of damage has been
      done particularly under the douglas side

  <WSC#DPC233:0650:MQ>
      think of um those nineteen eighty four to eighty <{><[>seven</[>
      years of everything in the <?>garden</?> <O>voc</O> everything
      all go

  <WSC#DPC233:0655:MQ>
      and then <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0660:LD>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0665:LD>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0670:MQ>
      BUST

  <WSC#DPC233:0675:MQ>
      <{><[>how much did that</[> cost the country <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0680:LD>
      <[>that's so right</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0685:LD>
      mm <,> mm <,> <softly><unclear>word</unclear></softly> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0690:MQ>
      and um er national promised er the decent society er

  <WSC#DPC233:0695:MQ>
      i tend to think they left <&>9:00</&> the s out of the spelling

  <WSC#DPC233:0700:MQ>
      <{><[><O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0705:NT>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0710:LD>
      <O>laughs</O> yeah

  <WSC#DPC233:0715:NT>
      well i think er <.>it</.> it's a little bit of pity that er more
      publicity was not given before the initial referendum <.>o</.>
      on m m p <{><[>and</[> and single <&>pronounced as sayingle</&>
      transferable vote <&>pronounced as brote</&> um

  <WSC#DPC233:0720:NT>
      we considered um er single transferable vote at one stage and
      decided that perhaps m m p was ahead by a nose and er on that

  <WSC#DPC233:0725:LD>
      <[>oh</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0730:MQ>
      er who are you speaking for

  <WSC#DPC233:0735:NT>
      er er well perhaps i'd better speak for myself <{><[><O>laughs</O></[>
      <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DPC233:0740:MQ>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0745:LD>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0750:LD>
      <.>we</.> it was quite interesting

  <WSC#DPC233:0755:LD>
      i <.>was</.> just been doing a public law course and we had sir
      geoffrey palmer

  <WSC#DPC233:0760:LD>
      of course the architect of all these things

  <WSC#DPC233:0765:LD>
      and um HE PERSONally is a big advocate of m m p

  <WSC#DPC233:0770:LD>
      and he chose the royal commission

  <WSC#DPC233:0775:LD>
      and we had an interesting question from a student

  <WSC#DPC233:0780:LD>
      well if you're in charge of it <&>10:00</&> and you advocate m m
      p isn't it easy for you to pick people who are going to agree
      with you

  <WSC#DPC233:0785:LD>
      so and the royal commission which recommended it was kind of the
      tool of sir geoffrey palmer and if he wanted it surely they
      probably would want it too

  <WSC#DPC233:0790:LD>
      so is it really the best system for new zealand or is <,> there
      another <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPC233:0795:MQ>
      er i don't think a royal commission would be swayed um er just
      by or um that markedly by sir geoffrey palmer

  <WSC#DPC233:0800:MQ>
      they would take in a variety of things

  <WSC#DPC233:0805:LD>
      oh yes <{><[>but</[> the the thing was he got to to choose them

  <WSC#DPC233:0810:LD>
      and he would probably have chosen people who agreed with him was
      the was the comment from the student

  <WSC#DPC233:0815:LD>
      mm <?>i thought it was</?> <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DPC233:0820:MQ>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0825:MQ>
      <drawls>er</drawls> i don't know

  <WSC#DPC233:0830:LD>
      mm

  <WSC#DPC233:0835:NT>
      you you feel that er sir geoffrey palmer will be just <?>what
      <.>d</.></?> do you

  <WSC#DPC233:0840:NT>
      sort of impartial

  <WSC#DPC233:0845:MQ>
      er legally correct

  <WSC#DPC233:0850:LD>
      very much so <{><[><O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DPC233:0855:LD>
      <laughs>yeah</laughs></[> er yeah i'm i i DO <.>th</.> <.>h</.>

  <WSC#DPC233:0860:LD>
      that was his reply he said that he could have done any manner of
      <&>11:00</&> things if he wanted to but but

  <WSC#DPC233:0865:LD>
      for example when choosing sir robin cook to the presidency of
      the court of appeal

  <WSC#DPC233:0870:LD>
      it's the same thing

  <WSC#DPC233:0875:LD>
      he consulted <.>wi</.> widely and didn't really take politics
      into account

  <WSC#DPC233:0880:LD>
      so probably the the the same <.>si</.> stands for the royal
      commission

  <WSC#DPC233:0885:LD>
      but the um point of view <?>it's quite interesting</?> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0890:NT>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0895:MQ>
      well go back some years to when i was working in the labour
      department <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0900:LD>
      mhm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0905:MQ>
      and er i was working on the follow up to the original woodhouse
      proposal for accident <{><[>compensation</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0910:LD>
      <[>oh wow</[></{> <laughs>yeah</laughs>

  <WSC#DPC233:0915:MQ>
      er well er er the follow up to that um <O>tut</O> er

  <WSC#DPC233:0920:MQ>
      we were doing it but um <.>n</.> not um very er not very
      speedily

  <WSC#DPC233:0925:MQ>
      <{><[>and er the <.>mini</.> the minister at the</[> time wanted
      to things er done quickly

  <WSC#DPC233:0930:MQ>
      so er er so a few of us were locked in a room and had to produce
      some er <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0935:LD>
      <[><O>laughs</O> <?>as it was in those</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0940:LD>
      <O>exhales</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0945:MQ>
      follow up follow up pretty quickly

  <WSC#DPC233:0950:MQ>
      well we weren't literally locked in but closeted you might say
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0955:LD>
      mm <&>12:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC233:0960:MQ>
      anyhow the follow up to that was er

  <WSC#DPC233:0965:MQ>
      a group of us had to produce a um follow up paper outlining the
      issues which would then go to a <.>sele</.> select committee

  <WSC#DPC233:0970:MQ>
      i was the junior of er those ones in the department

  <WSC#DPC233:0975:MQ>
      there was one of the er assistant secretaries

  <WSC#DPC233:0980:MQ>
      in other words one of the second in in <{><[>command</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:0985:MQ>
      the office solicitor and myself <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:0990:LD>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:0995:LD>
      mhm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1000:MQ>
      and we brought er one chap in who i didn't <&>telephone rings</&>
      know at the time but um more recently became much more well
      known

  <WSC#DPC233:1005:MQ>
      name of geoff palmer

  <WSC#DPC233:1010:LD>
      oh <O>laughs</O> <?>is</?> that right

  <WSC#DPC233:1015:MQ>
      so er i made a submission on the latest round of accident
      compensation er proposals

  <WSC#DPC233:1020:MQ>
      and er before i put it in i had to vet it by er sir geoff

  <WSC#DPC233:1025:LD>
      <O>laughs</O> <,> yeah no he's imMENsely talented man immensely
      talented

  <WSC#DPC233:1030:MQ>
      yes

  <WSC#DPC233:1035:LD>
      such a mind on him

  <WSC#DPC233:1040:LD>
      he's VERY very quick yeah

  <WSC#DPC233:1045:MQ>
      yeah i noticed the way he went went through those submission er

  <WSC#DPC233:1050:MQ>
      it was almost like a <&>13:00</&> vacuum cleaner er <laughs>sucking
      up the facts</laughs> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1055:LD>
      mm mm mm apparently his son as well is um is is a very brilliant
      young man

  <WSC#DPC233:1060:LD>
      <{1><[1>he's</[1> at <{2><[2>harvard</[2> at the moment

  <WSC#DPC233:1065:NT>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:1070:NT>
      <[2><softly><unclear>word</unclear></softly></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC233:1075:NT>
      yes sir geoffrey's <.>s</.> suffered from the public <unclear>word</unclear>
      of being rather dull

  <WSC#DPC233:1080:NT>
      <{1><[1>and yet <.>i</.> i understand um</[1> from my boss whose
      um husband was in politics at one stage

  <WSC#DPC233:1085:NT>
      that um er he's a very witty <{2><[2>and</[2> and entertaining
      speaker at dinner parties and er

  <WSC#DPC233:1090:LD>
      <[1>MM <O>laughs</O></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:1095:LD>
      <[2>oh</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC233:1100:LD>
      mm <?>he's <.>a</.></?> an incredibly witty lecturer

  <WSC#DPC233:1105:LD>
      apparently he used to be quite ferocious but now he he's toned
      down a bit <?>in</?> <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPC233:1110:NT>
      <O>laughs</O> <{1><[1><unclear>word</unclear></[1> i suppose
      he's had a bit of his own medicine in <{2><[2>parliament has he</[2>

  <WSC#DPC233:1115:MQ>
      <[1><unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC233:1120:LD>
      <[2><O>laughs</O></[2></{2> yes well i <.>r</.> i remember when
      he was when he was prime minister and i was still at high school

  <WSC#DPC233:1125:LD>
      and and everyone thought he was exceedingly dull and quite
      stupid for doing pranks like playing the trumpet around the
      beehive and things like that

  <WSC#DPC233:1130:LD>
      i mean he just looked like a fool <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1135:NT>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1140:LD>
      mm <softly>mm</softly> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1145:MQ>
      yeah that didn't seem his style at all

  <WSC#DPC233:1150:LD>
      no no <O>laughs</O> <softly>mm</softly> <latch> <&>14:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC233:1155:MQ>
      his type of humour'd be er rather more the forensic type

  <WSC#DPC233:1160:LD>
      <O>laughs</O> <O>tut</O> yes oh brilliant lecturer though

  <WSC#DPC233:1165:LD>
      i learnt so much from <unclear>word</unclear> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1170:NT>
      the deadly <?>wit</?> in other words <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1175:LD>
      <O>laughs</O> quite yeah mm

  <WSC#DPC233:1180:LD>
      his <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1185:MQ>
      <O>voc</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC233:1190:LD>
      his protege mai chen is also an excellent lecturer

  <WSC#DPC233:1195:MQ>
      actually i think he'd rather like the one like er of the er
      judge who er after taking a case um before pronouncing a verdict
      <O>tut</O> <O>swallows</O> asked the um accused if he had
      anything to say

  <WSC#DPC233:1200:MQ>
      and the accused said as god is my judge i am not guilty

  <WSC#DPC233:1205:MQ>
      the judge said <{><[>he's not</[>

  <WSC#DPC233:1210:MQ>
      i am

  <WSC#DPC233:1215:MQ>
      you are

  <WSC#DPC233:1220:LD>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC233:1225:LD>
      <O>laughs</O> <laughs>brilliant</laughs> <O>laughs</O> <O>exhales</O>
      <O>laughs</O> mm mm <&>14:54</&> <&>end of sample</&>
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