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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side two</&>
  <&>2:10</&>
  

  <WSC#DPC265:0005:PF>
      oh i suppose that it's a real nostalgia trip i suppose now that
      people who were <,> in their teens in the sixties and that
      they're now in <.>th</.> in their forties and approaching fifty
      <.>f</.> god forbid <O>tut</O>

  <WSC#DPC265:0010:PF>
      but um but all the marketing seems to be geared towards that <.>s</.>
      sort of group too

  <WSC#DPC265:0015:PF>
      i suppose they're the ones with the money to spend <{><[>and</[>
      whatever <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0020:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0025:PM>
      but people do like nostalgia too

  <WSC#DPC265:0030:PM>
      you get <{1><[1>things</[1> coming back like the <title>seekers</title>
      nobody's heard anything from them for twenty years and here they
      are <{2><[2>again</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0035:PM>
      and all these <{3><[3>oldies</[3> <laughs>are going off</laughs>
      <{4><[4><laughs>to the concerts</laughs></[4>

  <WSC#DPC265:0040:PF>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0045:PF>
      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0050:PF>
      <[3><.>but</.></[3></{3>

  <WSC#DPC265:0055:PF>
      <[4>it's also</[4></{4> it's the remakes of the songs too

  <WSC#DPC265:0060:PF>
      i <.>he</.> hear a lot of sort of sixties tunes now coming back

  <WSC#DPC265:0065:PF>
      and there's i don't <.>kno</.> <.>i</.> i think bob said it was
      um <title>u two</title> that have done <.>s</.> <{><[>some old
      ones</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0070:PM>
      <[><title>u b forty</title> you're</[></{> thinking <{><[>of</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0075:PF>
      <[>is</[></{> it <title>u b forty</title> <{><[>oh right</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0080:PM>
      <[>yes isn't</[></{> it awful

  <WSC#DPC265:0085:PF>
      yeah what is it was it um

  <WSC#DPC265:0090:PM>
      <title>i can't help <{1><[1>falling</[1> in love</title> <{2><[2>with</[2>
      you that what you're thinking

  <WSC#DPC265:0095:PM>
      <{3><[3>of?</[3>

  <WSC#DPC265:0100:PF>
      <[1><.>w</.> <.>groo</.></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0105:PF>
      <[2>oh</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0110:PF>
      <[3>no</[3></{3> was it <title>groovy kind of love</title> <{><[>or
      something</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0115:PM>
      <[>oh that was</[></{> that was um <title>phil collins</title>

  <WSC#DPC265:0120:PM>
      that was a couple of <{><[>years</[> ago and that was awful too
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0125:PF>
      <[>oh</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0130:PF>
      no it was <.>an</.> oh no it was another one again cos on the
      radio today while we were painting and i heard it

  <WSC#DPC265:0135:PF>
      and <.>i</.> and i though oh god has someone <.>ridg</.>
      recorded that <.>no</.>

  <WSC#DPC265:0140:PF>
      oh and someone's done <title>walk away renee</title> <{><[>some
      australian</[> guy

  <WSC#DPC265:0145:PF>
      oh <.>i</.> it's not nearly as good as the original either
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0150:PM>
      <[>don't know that</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0155:PM>
      no it's always <{><[>the</[> case <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0160:PF>
      <[><O>voc</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0165:PF>
      yeah <{><[><O>voc</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0170:PM>
      <[>i</[></{> hate remakes generally unless it's the first song i
      hear if if i hear it the remake first then when i hear the
      original <laughs>i'm usually disappointed</laughs> <,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0175:PM>
      but um <{><[>i don't like remakes of something i already know</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0180:PF>
      <[>what

  <WSC#DPC265:0185:PF>
      do you mean you think you get</[></{> <.>w</.> <.>you</.> you
      get used to hearing <{><[>it one way</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0190:PM>
      <[>yeah i get</[></{> i get an impression of the way it should
      be and <{1><[1>if</[1> it's different i don't like it

  <WSC#DPC265:0195:PM>
      that's why <{2><[2>i don't</[2> like concerts and things like
      that too

  <WSC#DPC265:0200:PM>
      <{3><[3>i've always heard the studio recording</[3>

  <WSC#DPC265:0205:PF>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0210:PF>
      <[2>i don't <.>kn</.></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0215:PF>
      <[3>i don't know this walk of</[3></{3> version of <title>walk
      away <&>pronounced aray</&> renee</title> was um he he drifts on
      his notes

  <WSC#DPC265:0220:PF>
      and instead of making one <&>4:00</&> note pure he sort of drops
      <,> down <{1><[1>on</[1> on the note

  <WSC#DPC265:0225:PF>
      and it it it sounds <laughs>terrible</laughs>

  <WSC#DPC265:0230:PF>
      but <O>tut</O> yeah oh <.>th</.> there's some been some good
      stuff released recently though

  <WSC#DPC265:0235:PF>
      i heard another um <O>tut</O> track from <title>r e m</title>
      <.>wh</.> <O>voc</O> which i thought was really good

  <WSC#DPC265:0240:PF>
      <.>i</.> at least <{2><[2>i assume it's them</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0245:PM>
      <[1>aha</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0250:PM>
      <[2><?>think</?> they've done a really slow one</[2></{2> now

  <WSC#DPC265:0255:PM>
      is <{><[>that</[> what you're thinking of <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0260:PF>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0265:PF>
      yeah i think <.>th</.> yeah <.>i</.> you see the trouble is with
      the radio they don't TELL you what you're listening to any <{><[>more
      <O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0270:PM>
      <[>well if you tune <.>in</.> you tune into something</[></{>
      and you and you hear a song that you like and you're halfway
      through it and you think oh this good and you get to the end
      they <.>tol</.> they actually tell you at the beginning and then

  <WSC#DPC265:0275:PF>
      yeah well that's right <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0280:PM>
      and if it's something you don't like <laughs>they tell you at
      the end</laughs> cos you have to listen through to it to find
      out <{><[>why it's so bad</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0285:PF>
      <[>so <.>i</.></[></{> half the time i don't know what i'm
      actually listening to and i take these wild guesses and i think
      oh that's sounds like you know such and such and and quite often
      i'm right and quite often i'm wrong <{><[>but</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0290:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{> oh i do that sometimes

  <WSC#DPC265:0295:PM>
      <{1><[1>like</[1> the the other day i heard a song which i
      figured was <title>billy joel</title> even though i thought he
      must have packed up and gone off somewhere cos he hasn't <{2><[2>released</[2>
      an album for four years but he he's got a new thing out and it's
      pretty awful

  <WSC#DPC265:0300:PF>
      <[1>oh</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0305:PF>
      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0310:PF>
      yeah <{><[>i didn't think</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0315:PM>
      <[>which is</[></{> disappointing <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0320:PF>
      yeah i didn't think much of that because i actually think
      <&>5:00</&> he's a quite a good entertainer

  <WSC#DPC265:0325:PF>
      but i like the new <title>robert plant</title> one what is it
      it's <{1><[1><unclear>word</unclear></[1> <title>twenty nine
      palms</title> or <{2><[2>something like that something kind of
      really good yeah</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0330:PM>
      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0335:PM>
      <[2>yes <.>i</.> i listened to that and i thought hey this is
      really good

  <WSC#DPC265:0340:PM>
      it sounds</[2></{2> like his voice <{><[>but it's</[> a bit more
      lively than the sort of stuff he normally does <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0345:PF>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0350:PF>
      yeah <,> no i'm <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0355:PM>
      quite pleased with that one yeah

  <WSC#DPC265:0360:PF>
      mm

  <WSC#DPC265:0365:PM>
      <O>sniffs</O> and some of the other <.>thing</.> that that um
      what is it um <O>tut</O> summer breeze is something that i get
      really sick of cos everybody who's anybody seems to have done a
      remake of THAT one

  <WSC#DPC265:0370:PM>
      <{><[>and <.>the</.> they're never as GOOD</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0375:PF>
      <[><O>inhales</O> <O>voc</O> yeah and <title>seals and crofts'</title></[></{>
      was the best version anyway <{><[>at least i think</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0380:PM>
      <[>i didn't realise</[></{> how much they'd done and i'd start
      hearing that sort of thing on the radio <{><[>and</[> and
      realise it's them <,,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0385:PM>
      that was it seemed to be a bit before their time <laughs>too
      because they were quite tuneful</laughs> and and er harmonic i
      suppose you'd say

  <WSC#DPC265:0390:PF>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0395:PF>
      mm yeah well i mean even the new zealand bands have got round to
      remaking new zealand songs

  <WSC#DPC265:0400:PF>
      like that what do they call themselves the <title>muttonbirds</title>
      or something <{><[>they're into</[> <O>inhales</O> <.>re</.>
      into remakes in quite a big way

  <WSC#DPC265:0405:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0410:PM>
      well their their <.>f</.> biggest hit was <.>a</.> was that um
      nature thing and nobody's really heard <&>6:00</&> <laughs>anything
      from them since then</laughs>

  <WSC#DPC265:0415:PM>
      a couple of <{><[>things but they haven't</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0420:PF>
      <[>oh yeah what's that</[></{> one about <title>you left your
      window open</title> <{><[>or something

  <WSC#DPC265:0425:PF>
      isn't</[> that them

  <WSC#DPC265:0430:PM>
      <[>yeah yeah that one</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0435:PM>
      yeah that was quite good

  <WSC#DPC265:0440:PM>
      <{1><[1>they</[1> have some strange words

  <WSC#DPC265:0445:PM>
      but new zealand bands tend to be a bit <,> weird with some of
      their music a bit pretentious i think <O>inhales</O> sometimes
      <,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0450:PM>
      and a <.>l</.> a lot of the um sort of subculture stuff is not
      very <,> um big on on the on like the commercial styles of what
      is what is um <{2><[2>popular and it's very guitar oriented and
      drums and</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0455:PF>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0460:PF>
      <[2>you know it's funny that because <.>i</.> i mean new
      zealanders aren't really</[2></{2> pretentious as a whole and i
      mean in their movies and that sort of thing they're not so <?>it's</?>
      i wonder why they would be in the music <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0465:PM>
      it is funny yeah

  <WSC#DPC265:0470:PF>
      well maybe they think they've GOT to to compete internationally

  <WSC#DPC265:0475:PF>
      and yet the stuff that's done well things like crowded house and
      um <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0480:PM>
      yeah <{><[>well that's all the SALEable stuff</[> isn't it
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0485:PF>
      <[><title>split enz</title> and stuff</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0490:PF>
      yeah but i wouldn't call it pretentious at all <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0495:PM>
      no <.>th</.> that's the commercial sort of stuff and it's quite
      different but those are the things that are successful

  <WSC#DPC265:0500:PM>
      but we seem to be churning out a whole lot of stuff the sort of
      things that you used to hear on something like <title>radio with
      pictures</title> <,> <O>tut</O> um and it's not really <latch>
      <&>7:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC265:0505:PF>
      sort of <{><[>more</[> radical <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0510:PM>
      <[>it's</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0515:PM>
      yeah it <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0520:PF>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0525:PM>
      well <.>there</.> there's this um <title>jean <&>pronounced john</&>
      paul sartre</title> thing which have sort of like a whole lot of
      um guitars going in different directions and playing whatever
      notes they feel like at <.>the</.> at the <{1><[1>time some</[1>
      drums in there and someone <.>w</.> wailing in the <{2><[2>background</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0530:PF>
      <[1><laughs>oh god</laughs></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0535:PF>
      <[2><O>voc</O></[2></{2> yeah i mean to me that's not music but
      <{><[><O>exhales</O> oh <O>inhales</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0540:PM>
      <[>oh i'm sure they're really</[></{> better than that but i
      have a biased opinion <{><[>cos</[> i don't like them <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DPC265:0545:PF>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0550:PF>
      true <,,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0555:PF>
      mm <,> <{1><[1><,> but</[1> it there's always some good music
      around it doesn't seem to matter what year it is

  <WSC#DPC265:0560:PF>
      there's music you like the probably the bulk of it i DON'T like
      these days but there's the odd thing i find and i think oh yeah
      hey that's really good <,> <{2><[2>yeah</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0565:PM>
      <[1><O>sniffs</O></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0570:PM>
      <[2>i'm</[2></{2> always finding my my tastes are behind the
      times

  <WSC#DPC265:0575:PM>
      i mean i like the sort of stuff anything through the seventies
      and eighties and some SOME of the sixties stuff but not not the
      stuff which was harking back to rock and roll cos i found that
      was kind of <,> immature

  <WSC#DPC265:0580:PM>
      but um SOME things from the sixties like <title>simon and
      garfunkel</title> that i quite like

  <WSC#DPC265:0585:PF>
      yeah <{><[>i think <.>m</.> my taste's probably wider than yours</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0590:PM>
      <[>and and some things from the early <&>8:00</&> eighties</[></{>
      <,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0595:PM>
      yeah probably <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0600:PF>
      cos i like quite some quite heavy rock too but

  <WSC#DPC265:0605:PM>
      well i was never really around for for things like <title>led
      zeppelin</title> which i know you like but that's <{><[>not</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0610:PF>
      <[>but</[></{> do you think that makes a difference as to
      whether you like <{><[>it or not</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0615:PM>
      <[>well not really</[></{> i wasn't around for <title>simon and
      garfunkel</title> either but um

  <WSC#DPC265:0620:PM>
      i think some of the that that sort of music from the seventies
      or or even earlier was stuff that it was reflecting the
      atmosphere and the attitudes of the times and that sort of thing
      and it's kind of dated <,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0625:PM>
      and <.>i</.> i don't find i relate to it

  <WSC#DPC265:0630:PF>
      i don't know i mean <{1><[1>i like stuff like</[1> <title>midnight
      oil</title> and i mean a lot of their stuff is real protest <.>s</.>
      stuff

  <WSC#DPC265:0635:PF>
      it could have come <{2><[2>RIGHT out of the</[2> sixties almost
      in in in the fact that it's so protest oriented and yet i think
      it's GREAT music i really <{3><[3>like it</[3>

  <WSC#DPC265:0640:PM>
      <[1>SOME things like i mean i like um</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0645:PM>
      <[2>well most of it yeah</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0650:PM>
      <[3>no i really</[3></{3> like <title>midnight oil</title>

  <WSC#DPC265:0655:PM>
      but <{1><[1>it's</[1> it's not i mean i like something with a
      bit of depth to it which is good because they have some
      intelligent lyrics and so on but they've also got quite strong
      tunes generally and i like that <{2><[2>too</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0660:PM>
      it's not all <,> you know not not that they're so much like the
      sixties simply because it's about protest

  <WSC#DPC265:0665:PM>
      <{3><[3>but i mean i like them because of their</[3>

  <WSC#DPC265:0670:PF>
      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0675:PF>
      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0680:PF>
      <[3>well i'm still <&>9:00</&> trying to work out what</[3></{3>
      they're singing about i mean <{><[>there's a</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0685:PM>
      <[>oh</[></{> sometimes <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DPC265:0690:PF>
      <O>laughs</O> i i've i've worked out what <title>my country's</title>
      about but i can't work the other one out about <.>s</.> um
      something about the the royal family and the monarchy you know
      the <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0695:PM>
      oh well that was about the um the australian republic debate

  <WSC#DPC265:0700:PF>
      yeah but i couldn't work <laughs>out the words to it

  <WSC#DPC265:0705:PF>
      it <{><[><.>s</.> sort of eludes</laughs></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0710:PM>
      <[><laughs>oh

  <WSC#DPC265:0715:PM>
      well</[></{> it's a bit manic i suppose</laughs> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0720:PF>
      yeah i'd actually quite like to see what you know the words
      written down because i'm <.>sh</.> quite sure it would make the
      song a bit more meaningful <.>but</.>

  <WSC#DPC265:0725:PF>
      and yet i like it i sing along to it and put my own <laughs>words
      to it <{><[>as much</[> as possible</laughs> but i really like
      <title>midnight oil</title>

  <WSC#DPC265:0730:PF>
      i think they're a very good band <O>sniffs</O>

  <WSC#DPC265:0735:PF>
      and <,> i don't know the <O>exhales</O> times change i suppose
      but music's something that brings people together

  <WSC#DPC265:0740:PF>
      and i guess everybody's got their own style of <.>wheth</.> you
      know what they like <,> but

  <WSC#DPC265:0745:PM>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0750:PM>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPC265:0755:PM>
      i think my tastes are widening because i <{1><[1>like</[1> some
      classical music <.>i'm</.> i'm not very big on it and i tend not
      to like things <&>10:00</&> like violins but um i've got into
      <{2><[2>some</[2> harpsichord sort of stuff and and <{3><[3>that
      sort of thing i i quite like that</[3>

  <WSC#DPC265:0760:PF>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0765:PF>
      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0770:PF>
      <[3>yeah i'm not i'm not big</[3></{3> into jazz <.>i</.> <O>voc</O>
      <{1><[1>i like sax</[1> but i'm not really big into jazz <,>
      <{2><[2>um</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0775:PM>
      <[1>i don't like jazz at all</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0780:PM>
      <[2>no i've</[2></{2> never liked jazz or i don't like things
      which are <{><[>very</[> free <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0785:PF>
      <[>but</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0790:PF>
      i think <{><[><O>exhales</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0795:PM>
      <[>for me i like</[></{> everything to be <.>p</.> um perfectly
      timed and everything <{><[>to</[> have its place <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0800:PF>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0805:PF>
      i <.>r</.> i really don't like the country and western <,> stuff
      i think probably because the subject matter's so BORING

  <WSC#DPC265:0810:PF>
      it's sort of <{><[>all about</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0815:PM>
      <[>well <.>it's</.></[></{> it's very bland isn't it <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0820:PF>
      well it's <.>al</.> it's always about people with broken hearts
      and i mean you know <with pseudo American accent>and you <{1><[1>left</[1>
      me when i needed you most</with pseudo American accent> or
      something like that you know

  <WSC#DPC265:0825:PF>
      and there's there's not a lot of anything else into it <{2><[2><O>inhales</O>
      <&>sighs</&></[2>

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      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0835:PM>
      <[2>well i <.>s</.> i suppose it's it's still</[2></{2> quite
      big in <.>th</.> in the american south and i think it reflects
      some of the attitudes there which i don't like at all

  <WSC#DPC265:0840:PM>
      some of the <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0845:PF>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0850:PM>
      it's not so much racist but a lot of it's kind of um women's
      place and and about <{1><[1>what</[1> romance is supposed to be
      like and that sort of thing

  <WSC#DPC265:0855:PM>
      and they're a bit <laughs><.>date</.> well <{2><[2>VERY dated</laughs></[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:0860:PF>
      <[1>oh yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:0865:PF>
      <[2>why <.>d</.> yeah why do</[2></{2> you think <title>sisters
      are coming out of the kitchen</title> was such <&>11:00</&> a
      big hit

  <WSC#DPC265:0870:PF>
      i mean the women really <laughs>went</laughs> for that <{><[>so
      that's</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0875:PM>
      <[>yeah but</[></{> i mean EVERYbody <drawls>liked</drawls> it
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0880:PF>
      yeah <{><[>it is but but i would say it</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0885:PM>
      <[>i don't know how many people really understood</[></{> quite
      what they were saying but <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0890:PF>
      i would say it's probably the anthem song for for the women's
      liberation movement you know

  <WSC#DPC265:0895:PF>
      it's <,> and and the <.>h</.> old <title>helen reddy</title> one
      <title>i am woman</title> i mean they're <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0900:PM>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0905:PF>
      <O>voc</O> very very definitely songs that bring women out of
      the traditional roles and and sort of into a more <,>

  <WSC#DPC265:0910:PF>
      i i suppose in men's MINDS too just by the fact that they're
      listening to the songs you know that they start to realise hey
      there's more to life than you know pregnant barefoot and in the
      kitchen

  <WSC#DPC265:0915:PM>
      <O>tut</O> mm it's interesting to see how many people though
      would would have um heard things like that and and reacted in a
      bad way to it and sort of felt that they wouldn't like that
      artist any more

  <WSC#DPC265:0920:PM>
      i don't know how <,> how <{><[>much that would happen <unclear>word</unclear>
      <O>inhales</O></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0925:PF>
      <[>probably not cos i think the sort of people who would react</[></{>
      like that probably wouldn't have listened to <title>helen reddy</title>
      anyway <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0930:PM>
      er maybe <{><[>not</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0935:PF>
      <[><?>no</?></[></{> but <,> i mean the <title>eurythmics</title>
      is different <&>12:00</&> again <?>though</?>

  <WSC#DPC265:0940:PF>
      i think that you probably got a lot to <.>d</.> say that the
      popularity of the singer has a lot to do with it yeah

  <WSC#DPC265:0945:PF>
      er a very popular singer can sing about something controversial
      and make certain people think <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0950:PM>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0955:PF>
      whereas if it was coming from someone unpopular they'd just
      write the whole thing off

  <WSC#DPC265:0960:PF>
      so i guess you know in in that way you can almost say that you
      musicians can be political

  <WSC#DPC265:0965:PF>
      they can <.>cert</.> there's a huge cult following so they've
      sort of got a lot of responsibility in a way

  <WSC#DPC265:0970:PM>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPC265:0975:PF>
      you <{><[>know that</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:0980:PM>
      <[>and <?>so</?></[></{> it's a pity when they have that sort of
      responsibility and they use it <{><[><.>t</.></[> to write about
      um i don't know popcorn love or something <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:0985:PF>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPC265:0990:PF>
      or <.>s</.> <{1><[1>what's that <title>killer</[1> cop</title>
      or something you know was that

  <WSC#DPC265:0995:PF>
      who was that <title>ice t</title> or something and <{2><[2><title>killer
      cop</title></[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:1000:PM>
      <[1>and um broken hearts</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:1005:PM>
      <[2>yeah but</[2></{2> i mean that's always there's those same
      sort of questions like that um movie about the serial killer
      thing is whether it's got some artistic value or not whether
      it's aesthetic

  <WSC#DPC265:1010:PM>
      i mean somebody's going to listen to it and they might be able
      to glean some <{1><[1>idea about real life or</[1> something
      from it you never know

  <WSC#DPC265:1015:PM>
      i mean i wouldn't listen to it but that's because i hate <{2><[2>rap</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:1020:PF>
      <[1><drawls>oh</drawls> don't know</[1></{1> <&>13:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC265:1025:PF>
      <[2>i think</[2></{2> i think some of it is subversive and can
      plant <,> sort of very antisocial ideas in into people's heads

  <WSC#DPC265:1030:PF>
      i mean the ideas are probably already there but they just <,>
      support those ideas and the fact that it's coming from from some
      big rock hero

  <WSC#DPC265:1035:PF>
      i don't think it's a good idea really

  <WSC#DPC265:1040:PF>
      i think they probably should be trying to give some more
      positive messages <.>tha</.>

  <WSC#DPC265:1045:PF>
      i think that's what i like about <title>midnight oil</title> the
      fact that their <.>m</.> their messages are sort of so pro
      environment and pro green <,> that type of thing that

  <WSC#DPC265:1050:PF>
      that's <.>w</.> <{><[>that's one of the reasons that i like them</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:1055:PM>
      <[>yeah but again that that's because they</[></{> <.>ag</.>
      they they agree with your ideas <{1><[1>again

  <WSC#DPC265:1060:PM>
      you might find that that</[1> that this sort of rap is
      attracting people who do <.>h</.> already <{2><[2>have that sort
      of</[2> idea and <.>i</.> and it's because they can relate <{3><[3>to
      it</[3>

  <WSC#DPC265:1065:PF>
      <[1>yeah all right <&>sighs</&> <laughs>yeah</laughs></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:1070:PF>
      <[2>yeah i mean</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:1075:PF>
      <[3>but</[3></{3> i mean rap <.>m</.> <&>sighs</&> is just so
      <laughs>BORING <,,>

  <WSC#DPC265:1080:PF>
      you <{><[>know i can't</laughs> <O>inhales</O> yeah</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:1085:PM>
      <[>well it all depends what you do with it</[></{> i suppose
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:1090:PF>
      i suppose it it maybe it does appeal to people with limited
      intellect because it is so <{><[>basic and simple but</[>
      <&>14:00</&>

  <WSC#DPC265:1095:PM>
      <[>oh it's not ALWAYS</[></{> a matter of limited intellect
      either

  <WSC#DPC265:1100:PM>
      <{1><[1>i mean</[1> you can have perfectly rational people who
      have <{2><[2>um</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:1105:PF>
      <[1>well</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:1110:PF>
      <[2>a love</[2></{2> for rap oh well <{><[>yeah fair <.>e</.>
      yeah</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:1115:PM>
      <[>oh it's it's</[></{> it's not <laughs>incongruous</laughs>
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:1120:PF>
      it just <O>voc</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DPC265:1125:PM>
      i mean i've got no problem

  <WSC#DPC265:1130:PM>
      i can see <.>wh</.> well not not so much that i can see why
      people like rap but i can i can certainly er respect <{1><[1>people
      who are for</[1> their <.>intellig</.> and and wouldn't <{2><[2>belittle
      them because they like it</[2>

  <WSC#DPC265:1135:PF>
      <[1>it's not just</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:1140:PF>
      <[2>it's not just rap though</[2></{2> there's another thing
      around at the moment that they're singing about now what is it
      the <title>bad boys bad boys what you gonna do</title> <{><[>or
      something i mean</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:1145:PM>
      <[>oh that's awful</[></{> i <{><[>mean <unclear>word</unclear>
      i i don't like that in fact i mean</[>

  <WSC#DPC265:1150:PF>
      <[>yeah it's got it's</[></{> that's about the whole words to
      the song and you think oh <{><[><laughs>yeah</laughs></[>

  <WSC#DPC265:1155:PM>
      <[>well that</[></{> was that was the um theme tune <{1><[1>to
      one of those cops' programmes on t v</[1> which <{2><[2>there
      seem</[2> to be a <.>h</.> horrible <O>voc</O> like a plethora
      of them coming out recently too

  <WSC#DPC265:1160:PM>
      people like all this real life drama things

  <WSC#DPC265:1165:PM>
      <{3><[3>think</[3> it makes them feel excited to to think wow it
      could happen <{4><[4>to</[4> me and what would <{5><[5>i</[5> do
      i'm sure i'd do it much better than they did <,> <{6><[6>and so
      on</[6>

  <WSC#DPC265:1170:PF>
      <[1>yeah bob said there was a</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DPC265:1175:PF>
      <[2>oh</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPC265:1180:PF>
      <[3><quietly>yeah</quietly></[3></{3>

  <WSC#DPC265:1185:PF>
      <[4><O>tut</O></[4></{4>

  <WSC#DPC265:1190:PF>
      <[5>mm</[5></{5>

  <WSC#DPC265:1195:PF>
      <[6>yeah</[6></{6> <,> living dangerously vicariously <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DPC265:1200:PF>
      yeah no not my cup of tea i don't think <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DPC265:1205:PF>
      just <O>exhales</O> <,,> i don't know <&>15:00</&> <&>end of
      extract</&>
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