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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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      what i'm ringing up <.>for</.> for is really to get <.>so</.> to
      <.>g</.> to see if i'm still up to date with what um about
      syllabus design these days cos um we are well i'm working with
      the group that's going to be doing the achievement initiative
      for maori language

  <WSC#DPF072:0010:PM>
      mhm

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      <.>de</.> <.>e</.> the <.>dividing</.> the designing <.>the</.>
      er <.>de</.> designing the curriculum um <.>un</.> under the
      government's new achievement initiative

  <WSC#DPF072:0020:PM>
      yeah

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      and um we were going to use a functional notional approach and
      i'm just trying to go through a whole lot of um

  <WSC#DPF072:0030:PM>
      yeah well <.>i</.> i mean I think you're out of date there
      <latch>

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      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0040:PM>
      quite quite <laughs>frankly</laughs>

  <WSC#DPF072:0045:MM>
      yeah okay well that's <.>what</.> that's what i'm just ringing
      for yeah

  <WSC#DPF072:0050:PM>
      yeah um because where <.>the</.> basically the reason it's a bit
      out of date is that there's <.>a</.> you know noone was ever
      really able to come up with <.>a</.> with a sensible list of
      functions and notions <.>that</.> that anybody at all agreed
      with <.>and</.> and so on <latch> <&>1:00</&>

  <WSC#DPF072:0055:MM>
      right <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0060:PM>
      and the tendency now has really been to move to sort of tasks
      <{><[>and</[> and that sort of you know <.>that</.> that area
      but there's value in sort of having functions and having
      grammatical structures and vocabs <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0065:MM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      yeah <latch>

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      as sort of checklists <latch>

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      yeah right <latch>

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      to make sure that if you say do things through a series of tasks
      or topics that you are actually covering <latch>

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      yeah right <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0095:PM>
      all the things that you should be covering <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0100:MM>
      yeah well er have you got any sort of like um <.>b</.> because
      basically you <.>kno</.> you know about the achievement
      initiative how it's designed <{><[>for the levels</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0105:PM>
      <[>yes yeah</[></{> yeah yeah

  <WSC#DPF072:0110:MM>
      and um <O>tut</O> i'm really just sort of wanting any literature

  <WSC#DPF072:0115:PM>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPF072:0120:MM>
      <.>that</.> that sort of talks about you know syllabus design or
      frameworks for syllabus or syllabi or <{><[>um</[> curriculum
      design and so on and all the stuff that i've got from the
      searches i've done is <.>qu</.> er is quite old

  <WSC#DPF072:0125:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0130:PM>
      oh yeah yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0135:MM>
      sort of like back in the early eighties

  <WSC#DPF072:0140:PM>
      yeah okay um <,,> okay well i'll have a <.>look</.> see
      <&>2:00</&> i've got <.>a</.> i've got a little booklet <.>for</.>
      i teach a course on curriculum design

  <WSC#DPF072:0145:MM>
      do you

  <WSC#DPF072:0150:PM>
      and there's <.>a</.> there's a booklet on that i'm sort of
      working thing but <.>it</.> the reason you don't know about it
      is that some of the chapters have only got two pages in them and
      consist of two tables or something cos i haven't had time to
      write those bits

  <WSC#DPF072:0155:PM>
      they're <{><[>just</[> a few ideas

  <WSC#DPF072:0160:MM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      right

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      and um <.>unfort</.> er let me think <O>tut</O>

  <WSC#DPF072:0175:PM>
      i could sort of print you off a copy of that but i'm not sure
      how helpful it'd be but um i could have a look though the list
      of references and then see if i can narrow <.>ou</.> er sort of
      pull out about four or five things which could be good from that
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0180:MM>
      right <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0185:PM>
      to have a look at but i <.>could</.> let me just have a look

  <WSC#DPF072:0190:PM>
      it's about a hundred pages

  <WSC#DPF072:0195:PM>
      i can just print you off a copy of it and send you a loose paged
      copy cos we only print enough each year for the course cos <{><[>i
      change it</[> i change it each year

  <WSC#DPF072:0200:MM>
      <[>oh yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0205:MM>
      oh that <.>would</.> that would be really good if you could do
      that

  <WSC#DPF072:0210:PM>
      yeah okay well i can do that cos we've now got a laser printer
      in our department doesn't <&>3:00</&> take us long at <{><[>all</[>
      to do that

  <WSC#DPF072:0215:MM>
      <[>okay</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0220:MM>
      oh that'd be great um craig

  <WSC#DPF072:0225:PM>
      okay and then i'll also go through the bibliography and say mark
      some of the things which i think might be useful

  <WSC#DPF072:0230:MM>
      yes

  <WSC#DPF072:0235:PM>
      yeah um <,,> i have a feeling that it might <.>f</.> this is
      particularly for MAORI it might fit in

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      tasks might be also more sort of acceptable in some ways than
      <.>a</.> than a notional functional approach <{><[>too</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0245:MM>
      <[>yeah</[></{> <.>the</.> the reason why <.>i've</.> <.>al</.>
      <.>always</.> i've favoured the <.>notional</.> or the <.>functions</.>
      <{><[>having</[> functions anyway was that <,> basically that
      people aren't looking at the functional language

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      they've just looked at it <.>p</.> purely from a grammatical
      perspective <latch>

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      yeah that's right <latch>

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      and learners don't know how to do a whole lot of things even if
      they might have the <{><[>grammar</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0270:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{> yeah

  <WSC#DPF072:0275:MM>
      and um and so what i was wanting to do was to identify a whole
      lot of functions get a group of <indig=Maori>kaumatua</indig=Maori>
      together <{><[>and see</[> if we could actually identify what
      <.>the</.> identify how they actually express themselves for
      those particular functions

  <WSC#DPF072:0280:PM>
      <[>oh i see</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0285:PM>
      yeah yeah i see what you mean so in fact <.>you</.> <&>4:00</&>
      you're taking everybody a step forward basically aren't <{><[>you
      then</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0290:PM>
      yeah no that's not a bad argument actually um <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0295:MM>
      <[>yeah yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0300:MM>
      but the tasks i mean <.>it</.> once <.>we've</.> we can still
      look we can still look from a task based <{><[>approach</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0305:PM>
      <[>yeah <.>i</.></[></{> yeah i think it'd be wise to do both
      from what <{><[>you're saying</[> in that you could just say
      well here are some tasks but now let's look at functions <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0310:MM>
      <[>yeah yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0315:MM>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0320:PM>
      but the problem is that <.>you</.> you know <.>do</.> do <.>y</.>
      oh no i'll print that off to you for you too

  <WSC#DPF072:0325:PM>
      let me just check if it IS at the back of that book cos there's
      a book called <title>the threshold level english</title> by
      valekin alexander

  <WSC#DPF072:0330:MM>
      oh is that that one ages ago is it

  <WSC#DPF072:0335:PM>
      yeah <{><[>yeah</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0340:MM>
      <[>about</[></{> seventy four or something is it

  <WSC#DPF072:0345:PM>
      yeah but you see that's still about the best list of er
      functions and things that's around

  <WSC#DPF072:0350:MM>
      is it

  <WSC#DPF072:0355:MM>
      <{><[>well i've <.>got</.></[> <.>i've</.> i can get that myself
      from here

  <WSC#DPF072:0360:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DPF072:0365:PM>
      yeah but i actually just printed out their list of functions in
      the back of this book

  <WSC#DPF072:0370:PM>
      oh no i photocopied it into it

  <WSC#DPF072:0375:MM>
      oh okay

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      yeah

  <WSC#DPF072:0385:MM>
      right well no that's okay then <?><.>you</.> <O>voc</O> <O>voc</O>
      then yeah</?>

  <WSC#DPF072:0390:PM>
      <.>and</.> and that'll be quite a good checklist to start from I
      think

  <WSC#DPF072:0395:MM>
      great yeah <{><[>okay</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0400:PM>
      <[>yeah</[></{> and <.>then</.> then once you've <&>5:00</&> got
      your tasks you could be ticking off the functions as you went
      through the tasks and <{><[>say well</[> we've done something on
      this done something on this and you know <.>you</.> you'd want
      to tick off each function at least three times i would think
      <latch>

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      <[>yeah right</[></{>

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      right yeah yeah

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      and then if you say well look we're not covering any of these

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      are they important to cover and are there any other tasks we can
      bring in which would cover them <{><[>you know</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0425:MM>
      <[>yeah</[></{> right

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      and that would be quite a good way to do it <{><[>i think</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0435:MM>
      <[>yeah yeah</[></{> right

  <WSC#DPF072:0440:MM>
      no that sounds excellent

  <WSC#DPF072:0445:PM>
      now what's your address chris

  <WSC#DPF072:0450:MM>
      forty eight mulgrave street

  <WSC#DPF072:0455:MM>
      i'm at te <.>puni</.> i'm not in masterton now

  <WSC#DPF072:0460:PM>
      oh yeah no <{><[>no</[> <.>i</.> i knew you'd moved from there

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      <[>i</[></{>

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      yeah i'm at te puni kokiri ministry of maori development <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0475:PM>
      okay <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0480:MM>
      forty eight mulgrave street

  <WSC#DPF072:0485:PM>
      okay is that your home address

  <WSC#DPF072:0490:MM>
      no no my home address is nineteen bevan street masterton but i'm
      <{><[>working</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0495:PM>
      <[>oh</[></{> okay so er <.>so</.> so say the name again

  <WSC#DPF072:0500:PM>
      you were the department of

  <WSC#DPF072:0505:MM>
      <.>m</.> ministry of <.>maori</.> ministry of maori development

  <WSC#DPF072:0510:PM>
      okay okay right

  <WSC#DPF072:0515:MM>
      okay

  <WSC#DPF072:0520:PM>
      okay and is <.>it</.> does that have a box number or not

  <WSC#DPF072:0525:MM>
      just private bag

  <WSC#DPF072:0530:PM>
      oh private bag okay wellington

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      mm

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      okay

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      thanks <&>6:00</&>

  <WSC#DPF072:0550:PM>
      okay chris well <.>i'll</.> i'll send you off a copy of the book
      later today <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0555:MM>
      yeah okay <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0560:PM>
      and er i'll try and mark a couple of things in there <latch>

  <WSC#DPF072:0565:MM>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPF072:0570:PM>
      and er you'll also get <.>a</.> a form asking you to fill in to
      okay the er <laughs>tape recording</laughs>

  <WSC#DPF072:0575:MM>
      and then you'll send <.>the</.> send <.>that</.> that part from
      the <.>van</.> from van eckervets or <{><[>whatever?</[>

  <WSC#DPF072:0580:PM>
      <[>okay</[></{> yep

  <WSC#DPF072:0585:MM>
      thanks a lot

  <WSC#DPF072:0590:PM>
      okay then chris

  <WSC#DPF072:0595:MM>
      great bye

  <WSC#DPF072:0600:PM>
      bye <&>6:30</&>
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