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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side two</&>
  <&>11:50</&>
  

  <WSC#DPH003:0005:EB>
      well to to put it plainly there was so much v d among all the
      <,> troops that you got lectures <&>12:00</&> before you left
      <,> and i never met this lady but <,> it was a er a big fuss
      about her here <,> er miss ettie rout

  <WSC#DPH003:0010:EB>
      the man that used to do the lectures in <.>ov</.> over there at
      etaples he was um <,> er a man named hornibrook he was a
      physical culture <,> er man i believe he had a studio in
      christchurch <,> and anyhow this this miss ettie rout <,> i
      never er came in contact with her but if you were in london
      there she'd just our own the new zealand boys she'd <,> just say
      <,> are you prepared digger <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0015:EB>
      if he said digger said no <,> she'd hand you a little parcel <,>
      and there was er <,> here <,> there was oh there was a a a
      <&>13:00</&> terrible <,> ruckus here about her and she just
      sort of <.>as</.> she didn't wasn't part of the army or anything
      <,> she was just i believe on her own and she just wore a khaki
      skirt and a and a digger's hat <,> she wore

  <WSC#DPH003:0020:XT>
      and what was the troops' attitude to her and <{><[>the work that
      <.>sh</.></[>

  <WSC#DPH003:0025:EB>
      <[>what was the what</[></{>

  <WSC#DPH003:0030:XT>
      what was the troops' attitude to the work she was doing

  <WSC#DPH003:0035:EB>
      i think they were all in favour of it <,> but of course now i
      was going to say now there this <,> er hornibrook he was
      employed by the government here i don't know what his ranking
      was but <,> you <.>c</.> you were <.>l</.> every morning if you
      might have been in the camp waiting to go across <,> er
      <&>14:00</&> to britain you see and you got the lecture twice a
      day troops were coming in and that and then <,> when you <,>
      marched out of camp to go down to the the er ships <,> there er
      was this big <,> er double gate when you come out double file
      <,> and <,> whether you liked it or not you were just handed a
      package <,> and <,> so er that was that

  <WSC#DPH003:0040:XT>
      did you hear one of fred hornibrook's lectures

  <WSC#DPH003:0045:EB>
      realise what <latch>

  <WSC#DPH003:0050:XT>
      did you hear <,> fred hornibrook lecturing <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DPH003:0055:XT>
      did you hear <,> <.>fr</.> one of fred hornibrook's lectures

  <WSC#DPH003:0060:EB>
      <.>whe</.> <,,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0065:XT>
      can you tell me what fred hornibrook was like as a lecturer

  <WSC#DPH003:0070:EB>
      oh yes he was a good lecturer <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0075:EB>
      he was very straight and very forthright

  <WSC#DPH003:0080:XT>
      can you describe him

  <WSC#DPH003:0085:EB>
      yes he was a big man <,> and er <,> he was er <,> <&>15:00</&>
      very forthright <,> in his language and there was nothing <,> it
      wasn't a a speech that a <.>mis</.> minister or a parson'd make
      to you it was very straight and <,> and that you know

  <WSC#DPH003:0090:EB>
      he just said don't take any notice of the <,> the girls whether
      they're nicely dressed or <,> or not

  <WSC#DPH003:0095:EB>
      course mind you <,> london was rife <,> there when er when that
      sort of thing <,> on the er <,> when you were on leave i suppose
      it was we were only there on leave but i suppose there was the
      same troops on leave there all the time <,> and er <,> i believe
      there was quite a lot

  <WSC#DPH003:0100:EB>
      of course in france <,> they had special hospitals for <,> for
      that complaint <,> the er and they weren't allowed out they were
      all behind wire <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0105:EB>
      we used <&>16:00</&> <O>laughs</O> <,> we had a cook with us <,>
      and er <,> he went er <,> used to say <?>when there was</?> <,>
      perhaps someone <,> er prominent in the <,> er the battery or
      that you know and he'd he'd say <loudly>i'll find out if they're
      all right and he'd cook curry</loudly> <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0110:EB>
      that was the <,> curry or <laughs>something like that where they
      wouldn't eat</laughs> <,> <quietly><?>odd man</?></quietly> but
      it was amazing the the number of er hospitals there were there
      for for that

  <WSC#DPH003:0115:XT>
      do you think that when the men were warned they took the advice

  <WSC#DPH003:0120:EB>
      oh i think so <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0125:EB>
      i think <.>ha</.> half of it was they perhaps got full of <,>
      grog you know and <,,> and that <,> and er back here <,> when we
      got back here <&>17:00</&> lady stout i think it was lady stout
      she started the white rose league <,> and um <,> she wanted <,>
      er before the er <,,> before the girls married the troops to
      make them get a er a certificate a clearing <,> certificate that
      they weren't didn't have that complaint

  <WSC#DPH003:0130:XT>
      how did the troops respond to that white rose <{><[>league</[>

  <WSC#DPH003:0135:EB>
      <[>oh</[></{> they all spoke <.>very</.> oh THAT oh there was
      <,> there was all sorts of things

  <WSC#DPH003:0140:EB>
      well as a matter of fact it was put to me <,> and er <.>i</.> i
      was up at the <,> my fiancee's home there and this woman i'd
      never met her before she was one that came up during the <,> war
      and she thought it was a great idea oh yes they all this <,>
      thought it was a great idea so i said yes i <&>18:00</&> wasn't
      married i said yes <,> might be a good idea but i said <,> i
      think and if if i was asked that i said i would want <,> my
      girlfriend <,> also to get a certificate

  <WSC#DPH003:0145:EB>
      i said there's troops <,> all in the camps here <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0150:EB>
      course then it wasn't rife here like it was overseas <,,> the um

  <WSC#DPH003:0155:XT>
      now when you said that london that prostitution was rife <{><[>can
      you</[> describe <,> the behaviour of <,> um london women on the
      street

  <WSC#DPH003:0160:XT>
      it's something that is often alluded to <,> in by politicians

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      <[>oh yes</[></{>

  <WSC#DPH003:0170:EB>
      yes it's er <,> well their attitudes on on on the street

  <WSC#DPH003:0175:EB>
      they'd just come up to you and <,,> just ask you like to come
      home with me or something <&>19:00</&> like that <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0180:EB>
      that's like er the granddaughter was er telling us she's living
      in er <,> melbourne

  <WSC#DPH003:0185:EB>
      she and her husband were <laughs>walking</laughs> down there and
      a girl <,> just <,> came up while they were walking along
      alongside of bev and she said what about coming home with me <,>
      so this was only recently so bev said <,> go away she said he's
      MINE <,> and er anyhow the girl said i don't want him she said i
      only want his money <,> <O>laughs</O> so <,> but er <,> <O>tut</O>
      that was that

  <WSC#DPH003:0190:XT>
      <.>w</.> <,> were french women a contrast to that? <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0195:XT>
      <{><[>how did <.>th</.></[>

  <WSC#DPH003:0200:EB>
      <[>ah <drawls>oh</drawls></[></{> oh yes in in the towns over
      there <,> yeah but of course in the towns in in france there was
      <drawls>the</drawls> the brothels there <,> <.>o</.> on the road
      with the red light out <&>20:00</&> you know <,> so <,> you
      didn't strike a great number of them on the street <,> there
      <,,> but er

  <WSC#DPH003:0205:XT>
      did you hear of ettie rout's work in paris

  <WSC#DPH003:0210:EB>
      did i hear er of her work?

  <WSC#DPH003:0215:XT>
      in paris

  <WSC#DPH003:0220:EB>
      no <,> i don't know whether she was there or not <,> so er <,>
      that was that but anyhow when we joined the battery over there
      we went to the um er base camp at etaples and they just drew on
      there <,> for the troops <,> what they were short of so many men
      to a battalion or that and after er <,> any trouble they er <?>you
      just beeped no doubt</?> you were taken up to the wherever the
      <,> troops were that <,> you were to join <,> you <&>21:00</&>
      joined the battery <,> or we did <,> and we never did any drill
      <,> after we left new zealand not the artillery <,> except er
      when i say we never did any now there was the um <,> when we
      were in in britain <,> just the guns drawn on the ground <,> but
      you see with the artillery <,> you you'd not only er troops <,>
      but you had the horses to look after <,> and the horses were
      looked after far better than WE were <,> the er and then not
      only that <,> you had harness cleaning <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0225:EB>
      all everything was <,> kept up to the knocker even with the mud
      <,> and you had stables like we had here three times a day <,>
      that was in the early morning <,> before breakfast that was

  <WSC#DPH003:0230:EB>
      you got a <&>22:00</&> cup of tea if <,> you got <,> rolled out
      early enough and then there was <,> again before lunch and again
      in the evening <,> and then at night there was always er four
      men on what they called horse line picket <,>

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      that was to <,> look after the horses at night any of them get
      down or anything like that

  <WSC#DPH003:0240:XI>
      now could you describe to us what etaples camp was like what

  <WSC#DPH003:0245:XI>
      could you describe to us what etaples camp was like

  <WSC#DPH003:0250:EB>
      er not a camp what camp

  <WSC#DPH003:0255:XI>
      etaples

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      a CAMP

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      etaples camp

  <WSC#DPH003:0270:EB>
      an ENGLISH camp?

  <WSC#DPH003:0275:XI>
      <&>writes down etaples</&> could you describe what it was like

  <WSC#DPH003:0280:EB>
      etaples

  <WSC#DPH003:0285:XI>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPH003:0290:EB>
      oh the camp there yes it was just like the ones here <,,> yeah
      would be just like the <,> one here <&>23:00</&>

  <WSC#DPH003:0295:EB>
      mind you but you had er er you were er drilling and when i say
      drilling i er physical jerks

  <WSC#DPH003:0300:EB>
      they were very tough on that

  <WSC#DPH003:0305:XT>
      was it rigorous

  <WSC#DPH003:0310:EB>
      eh

  <WSC#DPH003:0315:XT>
      was it rigorous training

  <WSC#DPH003:0320:EB>
      oh yes it was <,> and <.>o</.> over in um <.>i</.> in britain
      there oh oh we moved down from <?>chadderton</?> we moved down
      to <?>newshot</?> <,> and <?>newshot</?> was four miles from <?>oldershot</?>
      <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0325:EB>
      it was a barracks opened by the kaiser in nineteen hundred they
      told us <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0330:EB>
      that was a beautiful camp that was i mean as regards the
      equipment huts <,> was <,> and the er <,> the but now <.>i</.>
      <.>i</.> in france now the infantry had the <,> <.>cam</.> what
      they called the <&>24:00</&> camp cookers <,> you know you see
      them going along the road cooking

  <WSC#DPH003:0335:EB>
      well now that was a new zealand invention <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0340:EB>
      a man named roberts <,> in willis street opposite the y m c a
      had an engineering <,> business there and he designed those <,>
      those er <.>c</.> er camp cookers

  <WSC#DPH003:0345:EB>
      well they had to have so many men <,> for er to get a camp
      cooker see they they'd cook going along the road

  <WSC#DPH003:0350:EB>
      they they it was just like the old fashioned <,> milk carts that
      cooked was there <.>ea</.> each side a range and cupboards and
      that you see and that was drawn by horses by a horse

  <WSC#DPH003:0355:EB>
      well we didn't have one of those because we didn't have enough
      men <,> to er have a camp cooker and we used to our cook used to
      carry two lengths of iron <,> and all our er cooking was done in
      dixies <,> you know that's the the <&>25:00</&> <.>cir</.> er
      semi circle <,> er pots with a handle over <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0360:EB>
      well then we'd in the mornings we'd get issued with our daily
      ration <,> of <drawls>er</drawls> <O>tut</O> in the mornings we
      got porridge <,> and you got you got it all at once it was
      dished out to you you got your porridge <,> and you got your
      bacon with it too at the same time in your dixie <,> and er then
      <,> and another thing we used to get that you'd er with the <.>ra</.>
      it all depends how many much rations came up to the line <,> you
      would er there might be three or four men to a loaf of bread <,>
      and that'd be cut into there

  <WSC#DPH003:0365:EB>
      you had that all day <,> it was issued all day <.>i</.> in the
      morning to you and the jam

  <WSC#DPH003:0370:EB>
      that was the trouble the jam er

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      it was all <&>26:00</&> <?>cross and blackwell</?> stuff we got
      <,> but it wasn't in tins <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0380:EB>
      it was in er sort of er the the same as a tin only thick
      cardboard <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0385:EB>
      well then to to give you your ration they used to cut that
      across <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0390:EB>
      most of us used to eat it with a spoon right away because <O>laughs</O>
      you couldn't keep it <,> in your <,> your dixie but we had a a a
      dixie <,> and our dixie was different to the infantry one it was
      a flatter one <,> and it had a water bottle <,>

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      well then in the in the winter time <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0400:EB>
      of course <.>w</.> <.>w</.> we were all up there round on the
      ypres sector and that where you're up to your neck in mud <,>
      and er see the um <,> and er <,> er

  <WSC#DPH003:0405:EB>
      what was i going to say i'm forgetting <,,><&>5</&> um
      <&>27:00</&>

  <WSC#DPH003:0410:XI>
      when did you first go into action

  <WSC#DPH003:0415:EB>
      where what

  <WSC#DPH003:0420:XI>
      when did you first see action

  <WSC#DPH003:0425:EB>
      see action just after the battle of messines <,,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0430:EB>
      that was in the june <,> that and er <drawls>anyhow</drawls> you
      saw the the the action when you went up there

  <WSC#DPH003:0435:EB>
      now most of the artillery up there <,> up all round ypres it was
      up in <{><[>er</[>

  <WSC#DPH003:0440:XI>
      <[>do</[></{> do you mean messines or passchendaele

  <WSC#DPH003:0445:EB>
      no passchendaele was later than messines <,>

  <WSC#DPH003:0450:EB>
      passchendaele was in eighteen i think it was yes <{><[><?>something
      like</?></[>

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      <[><.>pa</.></[></{> i think you're talking about passchendaele
      october nineteen seventeen

  <WSC#DPH003:0460:EB>
      oh yes that was er that was in the wintertime at christmas just
      before about november i think it was <,,> in passchendaele

  <WSC#DPH003:0465:XI>
      you've got here in your notes that <,> more soldiers drowned in
      the mud than were <{><[>killed</[> <&>28:00</&>

  <WSC#DPH003:0470:EB>
      <[>yeah</[></{> there was

  <WSC#DPH003:0475:EB>
      well we got instructions there when taking ammunition up to the
      guns there that if you the horses got down in the mud to shoot
      them

  <WSC#DPH003:0480:XI>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPH003:0485:EB>
      you didn't have a show of getting them out <,> and they reckon
      that <,> in passchendaele there was more men drowned in the mud
      <,> than what was <,> was killed got down wounded

  <WSC#DPH003:0490:XI>
      now a lot of the men a lot of the men we have spoken to have
      talked about the artillery bombing THEM rather than the germans

  <WSC#DPH003:0495:EB>
      if they what

  <WSC#DPH003:0500:XI>
      the artillery bombing the new zealanders rather than the germans
      and it also there's a lot of references to that in history books
      and also in soldiers' diaries and letters

  <WSC#DPH003:0505:XI>
      were you aware of that at the time

  <WSC#DPH003:0510:EB>
      <?>you know that</?> i don't get that

  <WSC#DPH003:0515:XT>
      the bombs bombing the the artillery bombing the new zealanders
      rather than the germans

  <WSC#DPH003:0520:EB>
      bombing well they say that often happened they reckoned putting
      down a barrage you might get a <&>29:00</&> er

  <WSC#DPH003:0525:EB>
      see a barrage <,> LIFTS when you start off <,> with a barrage
      down

  <WSC#DPH003:0530:EB>
      now before er anything like before the troops were going over
      say for instance they're going over tomorrow morning

  <WSC#DPH003:0535:EB>
      well the way it was worked <,> er time <,> clocks and watches
      were set <,> clocks were set at divisional headquarters all
      right

  <WSC#DPH003:0540:EB>
      well then the commanders of the different battalions they all
      went to er headquarters and they were um is it okay er er

  <WSC#DPH003:0545:EB>
      they went to headquarters and they would get the correct time
      from headquarters and they would come back and it went right
      down to the guns <&>29:57</&>
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