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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>4:04</&>
  

  <WSC#DPH015:0005:SV>
      well yes but in the sense that my husband is a practising
      catholic and i'm not so i'm um interested in his religion

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      mm and how would you describe your lifestyle and health at
      present <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0015:SV>
      i'd say my lifestyle is very affluent and um <,,><&>3</&>
      satisfactory

  <WSC#DPH015:0020:SV>
      <?>don't know if</?> that's the right answer <?>i don't know if</?>
      that's lifestyle

  <WSC#DPH015:0025:SV>
      um health

  <WSC#DPH015:0030:SV>
      i feel i'm overweight <?>let's not talk about that</?> but i
      think i know that i'm not allowed to worry about that

  <WSC#DPH015:0035:SV>
      er health's good

  <WSC#DPH015:0040:XX>
      um now i just want to move onto more like your educational
      opportunities more specifically so i've actually got quite
      specific questions

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      right

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      so um how much guidance and encouragement do you feel that you
      received to stay at school or <&>5:00</&> to seek further
      education by your parents and um the school itself

  <WSC#DPH015:0055:SV>
      i think i always um knew that i was gonna go to university which
      must have meant that it was expected at home otherwise <,> i'd
      remember differently er <,> but then again i always thought i
      was going to be a teacher too

  <WSC#DPH015:0060:SV>
      that was probably the limitation of the times <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0065:SV>
      my sister didn't go to university though neither did my brother
      so i'm not quite sure of <?>of all that</?> but i i i'd <{><[>never
      ever been</[> discouraged from it

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      <[>were you the oldest</[></{>

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      were you the oldest child or <latch>

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      middle

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      middle

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      right <{><[>um</[> so i think whatever i'd actually been
      interested in with the limiting choices of perhaps nursing
      librarian or teaching which <?>seemed to be all that was</?>
      available i'd have been encouraged yeah

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      <[><?>yeah</?></[></{>

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      and and can you sort of say that that was <&>6:00</&> what your
      thoughts about a career <.>w</.> was was those <unclear>word</unclear>
      <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DPH015:0105:SV>
      <[>we never thought of any others</[></{>

  <WSC#DPH015:0110:SV>
      we never thought of lawyers or anything else

  <WSC#DPH015:0115:SV>
      that was basically if you were academic girl that's what you did

  <WSC#DPH015:0120:XX>
      um so how do you feel about um the opportunities that males and
      females had to gain um professional tertiary qualifications
      compared to like the past like your parents' generation

  <WSC#DPH015:0125:XX>
      do you think there was more opportunity <{><[>more <unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DPH015:0130:SV>
      <[>you're talking</[></{> about my generation not your
      generation

  <WSC#DPH015:0135:XX>
      your generation and <.>loo</.> compared to your parents'
      generation

  <WSC#DPH015:0140:SV>
      i have a difficulty cos my mother actually had a degree too so
      it was an unusual <.>s</.> situation because i know not many
      women <{1><[1>of</[1> her generation er had a degree so she
      seemed to have had similar opportunities to me though <.>d</.>
      the depression years was when she was at varsity so she didn't
      actually i don't think <&>7:00</&> she went fulltime <?>i think</?>
      she must have done it through teachers college i'm not sure

  <WSC#DPH015:0145:SV>
      um i don't have any doubt that we had more opportunities than my
      mother's generation but that's possibly because i've read enough
      to know that rather than <{2><[2><?>from my</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[2>
      at the time

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

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      yeah

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      um could you sort of say in society in the community that you
      lived in who restricted the opportunities for females in
      particular for tertiary qualifications <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPH015:0170:SV>
      oh often parents

  <WSC#DPH015:0175:SV>
      er <.>th</.> there was certainly while i was at school very
      definite an expectation that a girl would get married and
      therefore didn't need to have a job

  <WSC#DPH015:0180:SV>
      that was much stronger than it is now

  <WSC#DPH015:0185:SV>
      <?>i don't know if it exists now</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0190:SV>
      that you you basically had to get a a husband <?>that'd</?>
      support you so the restrictions were put on you <,> and i don't
      actually think me personally because of of the background i came
      from but the restrictions were there from the parents from
      society in general and and from what jobs women were in so
      <&>8:00</&> because women were traditionally teachers that was
      okay but women weren't doctors they weren't lawyers they weren't
      in any of the other professions

  <WSC#DPH015:0195:XX>
      right so in retrospect you DO consider that that um you were
      raised to also become a mother and a wife <?>it was</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0200:SV>
      i don't know er i wouldn't <?>think to</?> say that i was in my
      family

  <WSC#DPH015:0205:SV>
      i'm just talking about <latch>

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      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0215:SV>
      how i perceived things

  <WSC#DPH015:0220:SV>
      um no i don't think i was raised to become a mother or a wife
      <,> though my father was always on about it <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPH015:0225:SV>
      he goes on with with my children always asking if they've got a
      man yet so i guess <.>th</.> that's part of his expectations
      <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0230:XX>
      yes mm <O>voc</O>

  <WSC#DPH015:0235:XX>
      um <,> can you just sort of tell me about the different jobs
      that you've had um in employment fulltime and sort of parttime

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      chronologically would be <{><[>nice but</[> <O>laughs</O>
      <latch>

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      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPH015:0250:SV>
      okay the first job i had was um in the local shop and <,> <.>i</.>
      in my day it wasn't actually common for the for the kids to work
      after school and do all the parttime work they do now but i
      worked <.>betw</.> from when school finished through christmas
      holidays and that was actually quite common

  <WSC#DPH015:0255:SV>
      a lot of kids got jobs in the shops for that <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0260:SV>
      then when i left to go to university my first job was down in
      the south island picking strawberries on a dairy farm in nelson
      <,> um which we went down on train and hitchhiked back and i
      think that was much easier to do than it is now <?>er because</?>
      <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPH015:0265:SV>
      um second job was in the telephone exchange which was a manual
      exchange in te awamutu

  <WSC#DPH015:0270:SV>
      um <,> third job was working in the tip top factory in auckland
      and then i left there and worked in a coffee bar in auckland <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0275:SV>
      these are all <&>9:00</&> christmas holidays but they're three
      months jobs

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      mm

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      next job next two years was jobs that i actually found the most
      interesting was working in the psychiatric hospital out at
      tokanui which is was near where my parents lived

  <WSC#DPH015:0290:SV>
      in the first year i lived in the place and um really found it
      <{><[>fascinating</[>

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      <[>you mean</[></{> this is fulltime <?>job</?> <unclear>word</unclear>
      <latch>

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      fulltime but still <latch>

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      mm <latch>

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      in the holidays <latch>

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      oh right yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0320:SV>
      talking about three months <latch>

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      mhm

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      and i went back there the following year um because i enjoyed it
      so much and then i went to teachers college bearing in mind that
      all the time i was at university i was paid a studentship which
      was a very very good living allowance because it was a bit like
      um i suppose an apprenticeship system

  <WSC#DPH015:0335:SV>
      you got paid and for every year that you got paid to go to
      university you had to teach so a lot of people went teaching
      because of that and we were always the rich students

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      in fact i bought a car at the end of that because of with my
      money <&>10:00</&> from the psychiatric hospital i had enough
      money to do that

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      THEN unfortunately it was teaching and then oh um fulltime here
      for <.>th</.> in new zealand for three years

  <WSC#DPH015:0350:SV>
      do you want me to go into all this detail now

  <WSC#DPH015:0355:XX>
      yeah

  <WSC#DPH015:0360:SV>
      then overseas in australia for about nine months and in britain
      for a few months

  <WSC#DPH015:0365:SV>
      then i had children we went to kenya and there i did a lot of
      parttime teaching either teaching at home teaching at
      kindergarten er teaching in a convent <,> and then to new
      zealand where i taught at a place my husband was working at
      called <?>tokaroa</?> which <O>voc</O> <?>then</?> was an
      isolated new zealand rural settlement and then i have been
      teaching in a secondary school for fourteen years

  <WSC#DPH015:0370:SV>
      it's my job description

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      wow

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      <O>laughs</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0385:XX>
      <?>very comprehensive</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0390:XX>
      um <O>tut</O> after <&>11:00</&> you married did you um stay in
      paid fulltime paid employment

  <WSC#DPH015:0395:SV>
      yes

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      and after your children were born um past did you go straight
      back to work at all <{><[>or</[>

  <WSC#DPH015:0405:SV>
      <[>no</[></{> no i stopped work before my eldest was born and
      then when she was one we went to live in kenya where there was
      quite a lot of um servant assistance and i had my second child
      there and there it was where i did a bit of parttime work

  <WSC#DPH015:0410:SV>
      <?>it was</?> basically based at home a couple of hours a
      morning <?>things like that</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0415:SV>
      i didn't go back to fulltime employment until my youngest child
      was well she was just off turning five and she came to school
      with me

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      right

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      how <.>d</.> how do you think family and friends and society
      sort of regarded you like in parttime <.>wo</.> quite a lot of
      parttime work <&>12:00</&> over those years <?>then</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0430:SV>
      no problems at all

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      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0440:SV>
      i <.>th</.> i think because my mother had always worked i think
      that had a very strong influence on the way i saw life

  <WSC#DPH015:0445:SV>
      i'd always had two working parents um and my friends tended to
      work

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      it was never considered anything but what you should do

  <WSC#DPH015:0455:XX>
      that's lucky

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      um can you tell me about um other sort of work like voluntary
      work or housework mothering what sort of

  <WSC#DPH015:0465:SV>
      since i have i'll go <.>b</.> i'll just talk about the fourteen
      years since i've <{><[>been</[> a full time worker

  <WSC#DPH015:0470:SV>
      um i've always actually had paid assistant to come in and help
      with the housework er

  <WSC#DPH015:0475:SV>
      <?>that's not your question is it really</?> <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0480:SV>
      oh housework right so er so i <.>s</.> i feel as though i've
      been very lucky on that

  <WSC#DPH015:0485:SV>
      i haven't actually spent too many hours of my <&>13:00</&> life
      doing housework um <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0490:SV>
      voluntary work i've got to think this one out

  <WSC#DPH015:0495:SV>
      oh when the kids were little i was always on the p t a and i was
      on the music um committee that ran the local music school and
      associated things with that and on the school committee at one
      stage

  <WSC#DPH015:0500:SV>
      i'd forgotten all that which is what you're probably talking
      about <latch>

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      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      yeah yeah

  <WSC#DPH015:0515:SV>
      um what else was there

  <WSC#DPH015:0520:SV>
      i'm not quite sure enough of you're going to have to lead me a
      little bit more on the questions johanna

  <WSC#DPH015:0525:XX>
      um well through your years at um up at the school now you must
      do a lot of <{><[><,> um sport with sports teams or</[> can you
      tell <?>us</?> about that

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      <[>i do a lot of work with our <.>s</.> oh okay</[></{>

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      i always was involved in coaching of of teams organising the
      teams

  <WSC#DPH015:0540:SV>
      um <,> at the moment which is almost an extension of my job i
      tend to be involved in sport activities

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      mm <&>14:00</&>

  <WSC#DPH015:0550:SV>
      but i sort of see that as <,> i guess in a way it's it's
      voluntary <.>w</.> well it IS voluntary it's NOT un not paid
      definitely <latch>

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      mm

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      but it's a part that i feel i should do as a senior teacher at
      school

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      right

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      what about at <.>s</.> when you were at varsity <?>were there
      any</?> political groups or <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DPH015:0575:SV>
      <[>er</[></{> politics yes

  <WSC#DPH015:0580:SV>
      okay that's taken up quite a bit of my time um <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0585:SV>
      i was out of the country when the early seventies feminism was
      on er movement was on came back and was fairly active in
      feminist teachers for a while and also was very active in the a
      <.>m</.> member of hart and active in the anti springboks
      movement um <,> and also have been off and on very off at the
      moment very active in labour party politics in in in papakura

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      yeah and what about um did you see mothering as <&>15:00</&> a
      form of work in a way

  <WSC#DPH015:0595:SV>
      hard for me to answer that now cos now the girls are are young
      women <O>voc</O> you <.>ca</.> you forget about things like that
      <latch>

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      yeah

  <WSC#DPH015:0605:SV>
      i don't really think so

  <WSC#DPH015:0610:SV>
      i think it was just sort of a natural thing to be happening but
      no doubt if you'd asked me that when the kids were young i'd
      have said this is VERY hard work and <{><[>and</[> it's a real
      bind and all the rest of it but i <.>th</.> that's not how i
      remember it so

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      mm <,>

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      um how would you describe your selfworth um and paid work
      compared to unpaid work

  <WSC#DPH015:0630:XX>
      um how would you <,> well how do you do you feel better when
      you're in paid work rather than unpaid work <latch>

  <WSC#DPH015:0635:SV>
      i have absolutely no doubt it's really important for women and
      me to have economic <&>16:00</&> independence

  <WSC#DPH015:0640:SV>
      i i think it's one of the most important things out

  <WSC#DPH015:0645:SV>
      it helps in your relationship with your partner your <{><[>selfesteem
      your</[> value in society and i had a period of my first husband
      died and i had a period when i was the sole income earner and i
      was very lucky that i had a job that was challenging and also
      paid well and had a certain amount of respect within the
      community <?>teaching</?>

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      <[>mm mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DPH015:0655:XX>
      um getting to like perhaps if you talked about your um first
      husband with you and your partner's wages um how was each wage
      considered

  <WSC#DPH015:0660:XX>
      was was yours sort of considered secondary for extra luxury
      things or

  <WSC#DPH015:0665:SV>
      <?>no with</?> with with both my partners um i think i've
      probably been very lucky that things have been shared so there's
      always been joint bank accounts and um i used to do all the
      payment of bills and everything in my first relationship so i
      really had more idea of where the money was and what was
      happening <,>

  <WSC#DPH015:0670:SV>
      in the second one that is not the case

  <WSC#DPH015:0675:SV>
      we've we've i don't <?>do the payment of bills and things like
      that</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0680:SV>
      <?>i'm not quite sure how that happened</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0685:SV>
      probably i was lazy

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      mm <,> um

  <WSC#DPH015:0695:SV>
      in fact <.>i</.> if i'm honest in the second relationship i have
      an account of my own and the other account is a shared one
      <unclear>word</unclear>

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      mm

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      how was your um teaching perceived <.>compared</.> <.>i</.> if a
      man had the same job as teaching how would you compare the
      <unclear>word</unclear> traditionally probably a female

  <WSC#DPH015:0710:SV>
      oh i think i'm <{1><[1>not</[1> sure if i'm answering you
      correctly but i have no doubt that <,> women and teacher
      teaching probably have a higher status than men in teaching

  <WSC#DPH015:0715:SV>
      a lot of people <&>18:00</&> look down at men who go into
      teaching whereas they don't tend to look down at women

  <WSC#DPH015:0720:SV>
      i'm talking about my <{2><[2>generation</[2> probably because a
      lot of the brighter girls went into teaching

  <WSC#DPH015:0725:SV>
      bright men went into things like lawyers accounting doctors

  <WSC#DPH015:0730:XX>
      <[1><unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

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      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DPH015:0740:XX>
      mm <,,> <?>well with your</?> jobs do you do you consider them
      skilled <?>obviously</?> teaching's definitely skilled work

  <WSC#DPH015:0745:XX>
      do you consider the little bit of housework that you've <laughs>done</laughs>
      skilled or unskilled <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPH015:0750:SV>
      teaching is definitely skilled

  <WSC#DPH015:0755:SV>
      i think housework is skilled too to actually run a run a house
      <.>act</.> i do <?>however</?> think it's a very skilled thing
      to run a house especially when you running a family as well

  <WSC#DPH015:0760:XX>
      <?>mm</?> <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPH015:0765:SV>
      that's right <{><[>and there's a lot</[> of time management
      that's actually got to go <?>there</?> so that everything
      functions <?>smoothly</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0770:XX>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DPH015:0775:XX>
      mm

  <WSC#DPH015:0780:SV>
      so i think it is skilled

  <WSC#DPH015:0785:XX>
      mm much the same with mothering

  <WSC#DPH015:0790:SV>
      definitely

  <WSC#DPH015:0795:XX>
      <quietly>mm</quietly>

  <WSC#DPH015:0800:SV>
      definitely a skill <&>19:00</&>

  <WSC#DPH015:0805:XX>
      what reasons prompted you to go out and work <unclear>word</unclear>
      <?>or just</?> <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DPH015:0810:SV>
      <drawls><.>no</.></drawls> um i think <O>voc</O> the main
      reasons <.>p</.> probably to go out to work would've been the
      need to have one's own lifestyle to be independent of one's
      husband

  <WSC#DPH015:0815:SV>
      um because both my husbands have been good <.>in</.> <.>in</.>
      they've had good jobs incomewise i wouldn't have ever had to go
      out to work so it's never been and i've always expected to do so

  <WSC#DPH015:0820:SV>
      it's never occurred to me not to work and even now when i get
      irritated by work i know that it's i'd still prefer to work than
      not to work

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      mm

  <WSC#DPH015:0830:SV>
      you're your own person

  <WSC#DPH015:0835:SV>
      if you don't work you're actually very dependent on your husband
      or somebody else's charity in a sense to

  <WSC#DPH015:0840:SV>
      you'd be aware of of <unclear>word</unclear> spend money and <?>all
      the rest of it</?>

  <WSC#DPH015:0845:SV>
      you you have your own friends your own life your own everything
      <&>19:57</&>
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