L. C. J. Thou had'st need to know it very well , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.2) for it seems thou wentest without a Candle or any thing in the World , and put in thy Horse . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.3) Did'st thou see that Man Carpenter the Bailiff that thou spokest of ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.4) Dunne . Mr. Carpenter gave my Horse Hay . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.5) L. C. J. Was there any Light in the Stable ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.6) Dunne . Not when I put in my Horse first . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.7) L. C. J. Who brought the Light thither ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.8) Dunne . Goodman Carpenter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.9) L. C. J. Did not he give thy Horse Hay ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.10) Dunne . Yes , he did . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.11) L. C. J. And did he not give him Oats too ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.12) Dunne . No , my Lord , he did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.13) L. C. J. Did not he conduct you into the House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.14) Dunne . Who , my Lord ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.15) L. C. J. That same Goodman Carpenter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.16) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.17) L. C. J. Did you see any body else but that Girl you speak of ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.18) Dunne . My Lord , I did see the Girl there . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.19) L. C. J. But you Blockhead , I ask you whether you did see any body else ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.20) Dunne . I do not know but I might see Goodman Carpenter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,113C2.21) L. C. J. Why , thou said'st he brought the Light , and gave thy Horse Hay ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.23) but I see thou art set upon nothing but Prevarication : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.24) Sirrah , tell me plainly , did you see no body else ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.25) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.26) L. C. J. Not any body ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.27) Dunne . No , my Lord , not any one . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.28) L. C. J. Did you not drink in the House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.29) Dunne . No , my Lord , not a Drop . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.30) L. C. J. Did not you call for Drink ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.31) Dunne . No , my Lord , I did not , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.32) I had nothing but my Cake and Cheese that I brought thither my self . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.33) L. C. J. Who went up to the Chamber with you ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.34) Dunne . The Girl , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.35) L. C. J. And no body else ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.36) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.37) L. C. J. Was the Bed made ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.38) Dunne . Yes , my Lord , it was . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.39) L. C. J. You eat nothing in the House , you say ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.40) Dunne . Nothing but my own Cake and Cheese , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.41) L. C. J. But you did not drink in the House at all ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.42) Dunne . No , my Lord , I did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.43) L. C. J. Did you drink at Marton , where you did call upon Fane . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.44) Dunne . Yes , I did , but not afterwards . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.45) L. C. J. Did you see any body there the next Morning before they were taken ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.46) Dunne . No , my Lord ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.47) but after the House was beset , I saw my Lady and Mr. Hicks , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.48) and I think I saw Goodman Carpenter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.49) L. C. J. They and you were taken there together , were not you ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.50) Dunne . Yes . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.51) L. C. J. Did you see Carpenter's Wife , upon your Oath , that Night ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.52) Dunne . My Lord , I did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.53) L. C. J. Nor no Woman-kind besides the Girl you speak of ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.54) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.55) L. C. J. Nor no Man besides Carpenter ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.56) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.57) L. C. J. You are sure of this ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.58) Dunne . I am so , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.59) L. C. J. You are sure you did not drink there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.60) Dunne . I am , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.61) L. C. J. And you say he brought the Light into the Stable , and gave your Horse Hay ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.62) Dunne . He did , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.63) L. C. J. Now $pray $thee {TEXT:prithee} tell me truly , where came Carpenter unto you ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.64) I must know the Truth of that ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.65) remember that I gave you fair Warning , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.66) do not tell me a Lye , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.67) for I will be sure to treasure up every Lye that thou tellest me , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.68) and thou may'st be certain it will not be for thy Advantage : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.69) I would not terrify thee to make thee say any thing but the Truth : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.70) but assure thy self I never met with a lying , sneaking , canting Fellow , but I always treasur'd up Vengeance for him : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.71) and therefore look to it , that thou dost not prevaricate with me , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.72) for to be sure thou wilt come to the worst of it in the end ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.73) Dunne . My Lord , I will tell the Truth as near as I can . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.74) L. C. J. Then tell me where Carpenter met thee ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.75) Dunne . In the Court , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.76) L. C. J. Before you came to the Gate , or after ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.77) Dunne . It was after we came to the Gate , in the Court . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C1.78) L. C. J. Then tell me , and I charge you tell me true , who was with you when Carpenter met you ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.80) Dunne . Hicks and Nelthorp . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.81) L. C. J. Was there any body else besides them two in the Court ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.82) Dunne . There was no body but Hicks and Nelthorp , and I and Mr. Carpenter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.83) L. C. J. You are sure of that ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.84) Dunne . Yes , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.85) L. C. J. Consider of it , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.86) are you sure there was no body else ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.87) Dunne . Truly , my Lord , I did not mind that there was any body else . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.88) L. C. J. Recollect your self , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.89) and consider well of it . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.90) Dunne . Truly , my Lord , I do not know of any body else . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.91) L. C. J. Now upon your Oath tell me truly , who it was that opened the Stable-door , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.92) was it Carpenter or you ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.93) Dunne . It was Carpenter , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.94) L. C. J. Why , thou vile Wretch didst not thou tell me just now that thou pluck'd up the Latch ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.95) Dost thou take the God of Heaven not to be a God of Truth , and that he is not a Witness of all thou say'st ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.96) Dost thou think because thou prevaricatest with the Court here , thou can'st do so with God above , who knows thy Thoughts , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.97) and it is infinite Mercy , that for those Falshoods of thine , he does not immediately strike thee into Hell ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.98) Jesus God ! (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.99) there is no sort of Conversation nor human Society to be kept with such People as these are , who have no other Religion but only in Pretence , and no way to uphold themselves but by countenancing Lying and Villany : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.100) Did not you tell me that you opened the Latch your self , and that you saw no body else but a Girl ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.101) How durst you offer to tell such horrid Lyes in the presence of God and of a Court of Justice ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.102) Answer me one Question more : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.103) Did he pull down the Hay or you ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.104) Dunne . I did not pull down any Hay at all . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.105) L. C. J. Was there any Hay pull'd down before the Candle was brought ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.106) Dunne . No , there was not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.107) L. C. J. Who brought the Candle ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.108) Dunne . Mr. Carpenter brought the Candle and Lanthorn . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.109) L. C. J. It seems the Saints have a certain Charter for Lying ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.110) they may lye and cant , and deceive , and rebel , and think God Almighty takes no notice of it , nor will reckon with them for it : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.111) You see , Gentlemen , what a precious Fellow this is , a very pretty Tool to be employ'd upon such an Errand , a Knave that no body would trust for half a Crown between Man and Man , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.112) but he is the fitter to be employ'd about such Works ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.113) what Pains is a Man at to get the Truth out of these Fellows , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.114) and it is with a great deal of Labour , that we can squeeze one Drop out of them ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.115) A Turk has more Title to an Eternity of Bliss than these Pretenders to Christianity , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.116) for he has more Morality and Honesty in him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.117) Sirrah , I charge you in the presence of God , tell me true , What other Persons did you see that Night ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.118) Dunne . My Lord , I did not see any than what I have told you already . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.119) L. C. J. Then they went out (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.120) and brought word that thou wert come , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.121) and so he came out to meet thee . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.122) Very well : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,114C2.123) I would have every body that has but the least Tang of Saintship to observe the Carriage of this Fellow , and see how they can cant and snivel , and lye , and forswear themselves , and all for the Good Old Cause : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.124) They will stick at nothing , if they think they can but preserve a Brother or Sister Saint forsooth ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.125) they can do any thing in the world but speak Truth , and do their Duty to God and their Governours : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.126) I ask you again , Did not Carpenter meet you before you left Hicks and Nelthorp ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.127) Dunne . No , he did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.128) L. C. J. Then I ask you again once more , did not Carpenter ask you to drink ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.129) Dunne . No , he did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.130) L. C. J. Did not he light you with a Lanthorn and Candle into the House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.131) Dunne . I went into the House . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.132) L. C. J. Dost thou believe we think any body thrust thee in : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.133) Did he light thee in , I ask thee ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.134) Dunne . I went in along with Mr. Carpenter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.135) L. C. J. What Room did he carry you into ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.136) Dunne . My Lord , he carried me into no Room , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.137) the young Woman shew'd me into a Room . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.138) L. C. J. What Room was it ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.139) Dunne . Into the Chamber . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.140) L. C. J. Was not thou in the Hall or Kitchen ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.141) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.142) L. C. J. It is hard thou hadst not one Cup of Drink to thy Cake and Cheese . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.143) Dunne . My Lord , I had never a Drop . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.144) L. C. J. No , nor did no body ask you to eat or drink ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.145) Dunne . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.146) L. C. J. Thou art the best-natur'd Fellow that ever I met with , but the worst rewarded . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.147) Come , I will ask thee another Question : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.148) When was the first time thou heard'st Nelthorp's Name ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.149) Dunne . Not till he was taken . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.150) L. C. J. What Name did the Fellow with the black Beard tell thee he had ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.151) Dunne . My Lord , he never told me any Name ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.152) L. C. J. Didst thou never ask him his Name ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.153) Dunne . No , my Lord , that Man that was afterwards found to be Nelthorp , I did not know to be Nelthorp till he was taken , nor what his Name was , nor any Name he had . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.154) L. C. J. No , $pray $thee {TEXT:prithee} tell the Truth , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.155) did not Nelthorp go by the Name of Crofts ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.156) Dunne . He did , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.157) L. C. J. Then $pray $thee {TEXT:prithee} , when did he first go by that Name in thy Hearing ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.158) Dunne . My Lord , I only heard Hicks say he went by the Name of Crofts . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.159) L. C. J. When was that ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.160) Dunne . When they were taken . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.161) L. C. J. Did you not hear him call'd by that Name any time of the Journey ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.162) Dunne . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} recollect , my Lord , that I ever did . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.163) L. C. J. Thou canst recollect nothing of Truth : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.164) Is this as much as you can say ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.165) Dunne . It is , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.166) Mr. Jennings . You say Carpenter met you very civilly , and took care of your Horse : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.167) Did he make no Provision for Hicks and Nelthorp's Horses ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.168) What became of them ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.169) Dunne . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.170) Mr. Rumsey . Did you see their Horses afterwards ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.171) Dunne . No , my Lord , I did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.172) Mr. Rumsey . When they alighted from them , were they ty'd fast to the Gate , or how ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.173) Dunne . They were not ty'd at all , as I know of . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.174) Mr. Jennings . Did you tell Carpenter that their Horses were there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.175) Dunne . I did not tell him any such thing . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.176) L. C. J. Thou art a strange prevaricating , shuffling , sniveling , lying Rascal . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C1.177) Mr. Pollexfen . We will set him by for the present , and call Barter , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C2.179) that is the other Fellow . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C2.180) L. C. J. Will the Prisoner ask this Person any Questions ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C2.181) Lisle . No . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,115C2.182) Lisle . L. C. J. No , God forbid , Mrs. Lisle ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.185) that was a sort of practice in your Husband's time ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.186) you know very well what I mean : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.187) But God be thanked , it is not so now ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.188) the King's Courts of Law never condemn without hearing . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.189) Col. Penruddock , have you any more to say ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.190) Col. Penruddock . No , my Lord ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.191) but here is one Mr. Dowding , that was with me when I searched the House . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.192) L. C. J. Swear him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.193) Which was done . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.194) Mr. Pollexfen . Mr. Dowding , pray did you go with Col. Penruddock to Mrs. Lisle's House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.195) Mr. Dowding . Yes , my Lord : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.196) We came to the House , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.197) and beset the House round , some to the back Gate , and some to the fore Gate ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.198) we called almost half an hour before we got in ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.199) and had found two , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.200) and we came to my Lady ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.201) she said , she knew nothing of any body being in the House - (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.202) Lisle . L. C. J. Look you , Friend , you say you went with Col. Penruddock to search the House , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.206) did you find any body there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.207) Dowding . Yes , my Lord , I found this same Dunne in a little hole in the Malt-house . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.208) L. C. J. Was he covered , or not ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.209) Dowding . He had taken some stuff or other to cover him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.210) L. C. J. Did you find Hicks there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.211) Dowding . Yes , my Lord , we did find one that said his Name was Hicks . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.212) L. C. J. Is that the same Hicks that is in Salisbury Goal ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.213) Dowding . Yes , my Lord , it is ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.214) I saw him yesterday at the George in Salisbury , when he had that Discourse with those other Gentlemen . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.215) Mr. Pollexfen . Swear Carpenter and his Wife . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.216) Which was done . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.217) Dowding . My Lord , Hicks acknowledged before me , that he was at Keinsham , in the Duke of $Monmouths Army . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.218) Mr. Pollexfen . Come , Mrs. Carpenter , tell my Lord and the Jury , did you know the Time when these Men came to your Lady's House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.219) L. C. J. Is this the Bailiff's Wife ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.220) Mr. Pollexfen . Yes , my Lord , it is . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.221) L. C. J. Well then , what say you to the Question : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.222) Do you know the Time when they came ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.223) Mrs. Carpenter . Yes , my Lord , they came at night . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.224) L. C. J. Did you see them there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.225) Mrs. Carpenter . Yes . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.226) L. C. J. Were they lodged there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.227) Mrs. Carpenter . Yes ; but I never made the Bed . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.228) L. C. J. Who did ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C1.229) Mrs. Carpenter . My Lord , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.231) L. C. J. Had they any Supper , or Victuals there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.232) Mrs. Carpenter . Yes , they had . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.233) L. C. J. Who dress'd it ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.234) Mrs. Carpenter . I did . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.235) L. C. J. By whose Order did you dress it ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.236) Mrs. Carpenter . By my Lady's Order . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.237) L. C. J. $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} where did they eat their Meat ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.238) Mrs. Carpenter . In the Chamber , my Lord , where they lay . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.239) L. C. J. Who was with them ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.240) Mrs. Carpenter . My Lord , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.241) for I did not stay in the Room . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.242) L. C. J. Didst thou see them when they came into the Room ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.243) Mrs. Carpenter . My Lord , I dress'd the Meat , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.244) and carried it within the Door , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.245) and my Husband set it upon the Table . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.246) L. C. J. $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} tell me who was with them : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.247) Was thy Lady there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.248) Mrs. Carpenter . My Lady was in presence there then . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.249) L. C. J. How long did they stay below stairs before they went up ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.250) Mrs. Carpenter . Truly , my Lord , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.251) L. C. J. Did your Lady use to sup below stairs or above ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.252) Mrs. Carpenter . She used to sup below , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.253) Mr. Pollexfen . My Lord , if your Lordship please , this Woman and her Husband are both unwilling Witnesses ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.254) but we will examine the Husband , and see what we can get out of him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.255) Hark you , Carpenter , did you meet with this Fellow , Dunne , at his first coming to your Lady's House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.256) Mr. Carpenter . Yes , my Lord , I did see him there on the Saturday . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.257) L. C. J. Well then , let me ask you a Question ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.258) and be sure you tell me the Truth , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.259) for it may be I know it already ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.260) did he offer you a Letter to be deliver'd to your Lady ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.261) Mr. Carpenter . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.262) L. C. J. What do you say , Barter ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.263) Barter . I saw him produce it to Mr. Carpenter , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.264) but he refused to meddle with it . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.265) Mr. Carpenter . My Lord , he asked me , if my Lady would give Entertainment to one Hicks , and another Person , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.266) but he did not know who that Person was . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.267) L. C. J. Did he speak of another Person ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.268) Mr. Carpenter . Yes , he did . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.269) L. C. J. Who was that other Person ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.270) Mr. Carpenter . I did ask his Name , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.271) but he said , he did not know him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.272) L. C. J. Well then , when they came there on the Tuesday-night , how did you receive them ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.273) Mr. Carpenter . I did not receive them . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.274) L. C. J. Did not you light the Candle , and bring it in a Lanthorn , to light him into the Stable ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.275) Mr. Carpenter . My Lord , that was afterwards . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.276) L. C. J. Did not you bring the Men into the House ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.277) Mr. Carpenter . No , my Lord , indeed I did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.278) L. C. J. Did not you see them all night ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.279) Mr. Carpenter . Yes , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.280) L. C. J. Then where did you see them first ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.281) Mr. Carpenter . In the Room where they supp'd and lay . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.282) L. C. J. Did not you meet them in the Courtyard ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.283) Mr. Carpenter . No , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,120C2.284) L. C. J. Who gave you Directions to light Dunne into the Stable ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.286) Mr. Carpenter . They told me his Horse was out in the Yard . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.287) L. C. J. Who told you so ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.288) Mr. Carpenter . The Men did . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.289) L. C. J. Where did they sup ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.290) Mr. Carpenter . In the Room above stairs . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.291) L. C. J. Who supp'd along with them ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.292) Mr. Carpenter . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} say any body supp'd with them . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.293) L. C. J. Was not my Lady there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.294) Mr. Carpenter . She was in the Room , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.295) but I did not see her eat any thing . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.296) L. C. J. What time of the night did they come ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.297) Mr. Carpenter . About Ten of the Clock . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.298) L. C. J. And where did they lie ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.299) Mr. Carpenter . In the Room where they supped . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.300) L. C. J. Who lay there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.301) Mr. Capenter . Hicks and Nelthorp lay there . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.302) L. C. J. Was Nelthorp named there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.303) Mr. Carpenter . No , I never heard of his Name till after he was taken . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.304) L. C. J. What kind of a Man was he ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.305) Mr. Carpenter . A tall , thin , black Man . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.306) L. C. J. Well , what can you say more ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.307) Mr. Carpenter . My Lord , this Person has swore , that a Letter was offered me , but I refused it ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.308) but I assure your Lordship I never saw any Letter . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.309) Barter . I am sure he met you , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.310) and , as I remember , there was a Letter produced . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.311) L. C. J. Thou should'st not be angry with him , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.312) for he spoke very kindly of thee , that thou refused'st to meddle in it , and thereupon Dunne went in to thy Lady , and deliver'd his Message to her . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.313) Mr. Carpenter . That , my Lord , I acknowledge . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.314) L. C. J. Then , $pray $thee {TEXT:prithee} let me ask thee another Question : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.315) Did you carry any Beer up into the Room ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.316) Mr. Carpenter . My Lady gave order for the Provision . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.317) L. C. J. Did you make Dunne drink ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.318) Mr. Carpenter . No , I did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.319) L. C. J. Did you offer him any Drink ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.320) Mr. Carpenter . My Lord , I did not see him drink at all . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.321) L. C. J. What say you , good Woman ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.322) Did not your Lady sup there ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.323) Mr. Carpenter . My Lord , my Wife was little there at all ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.324) Mr. Rumsey . Now , my Lord , Dunne says he will tell all , whether it make for him or against him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.325) L. C. J. Let him but tell the Truth , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.326) and I am satisfied . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.327) Dunne . Sure , my Lord , I never entertained these Men a night in my House in my Life ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.328) but this Hicks sent that Man to me , to go to my Lady Lisle's , to know whether she would please to entertain him : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.329) And when I came , my Lady asked me , whether he had been in the Army or no ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.330) I told her , I could not tell , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.331) I did not know that he was . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.332) She then ask'd me , if he had no body else with him ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.333) I told her , I believed there was : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.334) This is the very Truth of it , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.335) I asked her , might the Men be entertain'd ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.336) She said they might . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.337) So when we came to my Lady Lisle's , on the Tuesday night , somebody took the two Horses , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.338) I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell who , if I were to die ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.339) the two went in ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.340) and after I had set up my Horse , I went in along with Carpenter up into the Chamber to my Lady , and to this Hicks and Nelthorp ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.341) and when I came there , I heard my Lady bid them welcome to her House ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C1.342) and Mr. Carpenter , or the Maid , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell which , brought in the Supper , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.343) and set it on the Table . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.344) L. C. J. And did'st thou eat or drink with 'em in the Room , or not ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.345) Dunne . My Lord , I will tell every thing that I know ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.346) I confess I did both eat and drink there in the Room . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.347) L. C. J. I pity thee with all my Soul , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.348) and pray to God Almighty for thee to forgive thee , and to the blessed Jesus to mediate for thee ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.349) and I pray for thee with as much earnestness , as I would for my own Soul ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.350) and I beg of thee once more , as thou regardest thy own eternal Welfare , to tell all the Truth . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.351) Dunne . My Lord , I did never know these Men were in the Army when I carried the Message to my Lady Lisle's , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.352) nor never did entertain them in my House in my life-time , so much as one Night . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.353) L. C. J. $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} , I do not ask thee what thou did'st not , but what thou did'st ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.354) Dunne . My Lord , I will tell all I know . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.355) L. C. J. What Discourse had you that Night at the Table in the Room ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.356) Dunne . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell what Discourse truly , my Lord , there was . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.357) L. C. J. Was there nothing of coming from beyond Seas , who came from thence , and how they came ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.358) Come , I would have it rather the Effect of thy own Ingenuity , than lead thee by any Questions that I can propound ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.359) come , tell us what was the Discourse . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.360) Dunne . I do not remember all the Discourse . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.361) L. C. J. $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} , let me ask thee one Question , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.362) and answer me it fairly ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.363) Did'st not thou hear Nelthorp's Name named in the Room ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.364) Dunne . My Lord , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell whether he were called Nelthorp , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.365) but it was either Crofts or Nelthorp , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.366) I am sure one of them . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.367) L. C. J. $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} be ingenuous , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.368) and $let $'s {TEXT:let's} have the Truth on't ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.369) Dunne . My Lord , I am ingenuous , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.370) and will be so . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.371) L. C. J. I will assure you , Nelthorp told me all the Story before I came out of Town ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.372) Dunne . I think , my Lord , he was called Nelthorp in the Room , and there was some Discourse about him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.373) L. C. J. Ay , there was unquestionably , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.374) and I know thou wert by , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.375) and that made me the more concern'd to press upon thee the Danger of forswearing thy self . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.376) Dunne . My Lady ask'd Hicks who that Gentleman was , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.377) and he said it was Nelthorp , as I remember . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.378) L. C. J. Very well , and upon that Discourse with Nelthorp , which I had in Town , did I give particular Direction , that the Outlawry of Nelthorp should be brought down hither , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.379) for he told me particularly of all the Passages and Discourses of his being beyond Sea , and coming from beyond Sea : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.380) I would not mention any such thing as any piece of Evidence to influence this case , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.381) but I could not but tremble to think , after what I knew , that any one should dare so much to prevaricate with God and Man , as to tell such horrid Lyes in the Face of a Court . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.382) Dunne . What does your Lordship ask me ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.383) L. C. J. Come , I will ask thee a plain Question ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.384) Was there no Discourse there about the Battle , and of their being in the Army ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.385) Dunne . There was some such Discourse , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,121C2.386) L. C. J. Ay , $pray $thee {TEXT:prithee} now tell us what that Discourse was ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.388) Dunne . My Lord , I will tell you when I have re-collected it , if you will give me time till to-morrow Morning . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.389) L. C. J. Nay , but we $can $not {TEXT:cannot} stay so long , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.390) our Business must be dispatched now ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.391) but I would have all People consider what a Reason there is , that they should be pressed to join with me in hearty Prayers to Almighty God , that this Sin of Lying and Perjury may never be laid at thy door . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.392) What say'st thou ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.393) $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} tell us what the Discourse was ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.394) Dunne . My Lord , they did talk of Fighting , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.395) but I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} exactly tell what the Discourse was ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.396) L. C. J. And thou said'st thou did'st eat and drink with them in the same Room ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.397) Dunne . I did so , my Lord , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.398) I confess it . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.399) L. C. J. And it was not a little Girl that lighted thee to Bed , or conducted thee in ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.400) Dunne . It was not a little Girl . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.401) L. C. J. Who was it then ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.402) Dunne . It was Mr. Carpenter , my Lord . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.403) L. C. J. And why did'st thou tell so many Lyes then ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.404) Jesu God ! (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.405) that we should live to see any such Creatures among Mankind , nay , and among us too , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.406) to the Shame and Reproach be it spoken of our Nation and Religion : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.407) Is this that that is called the Protestant Religion , a thing so much boasted of , and pretended to ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.408) We have heard a great deal of Clamour against Popery and Dispensations , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.409) what Dispensations pray does the Protestant Religion give for such Practices as these ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.410) I pity thee with all my Soul , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.411) and pray for thee , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.412) but it $can $not {TEXT:cannot} but make all Mankind to tremble and be filled with Horror , that such a wretched Creature should live upon the Earth : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.413) $Pray $thee {TEXT:Prithee} be free , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.414) and tell us what Discourse there was ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.415) Dunne . My Lord , they did talk of Fighting , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.416) but I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} remember what it was . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.417) L. C. J. Did you lie with them ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.418) Dunne . No , my Lord , I did not . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.419) L. C. J. Well , I see thou wilt answer nothing ingenuously , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.420) therefore I will trouble my self no more with thee : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.421) Go on with your Evidence , Gentlemen . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.422) Mr. Jennings . My Lord , we have done , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.423) we have no more Witnesses . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.424) L. C. J. Then you that are for the Prisoner at the Bar , now is your time to make your Defence ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.425) you hear what is charged upon you , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.426) and you see what a kind of Shuffling here has been to stifle the Truth , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.427) and I am sorry to find the Occasion to speak it , that under the Figure and Form of Religion such Practices should be carried on . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.428) What have you to say for your self ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.429) Lisle . My Lord , that which I have to say to it , is this : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.430) I knew of no body's coming to my House but Mr. Hicks , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.431) and for him I was inform'd that he did abscond , by reason of Warrants that were out against him for preaching in private Meetings , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.432) but I never heard that he was in the Army , nor that Nelthorp was to come with him ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.433) and for that Reason it was , that I sent to him to come by night : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.434) but for the other Man Nelthorp , I never knew he was Nelthorp , I could die upon it , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.435) nor did not know what Name he had , till after he came into my House ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.436) but as for Mr. Hicks , I did not in the least suspect him to have been in the Army , being a Presbyterian Minister , that used to preach , and not to fight . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C1.437) L. C. J. But I will tell you , there is not one of those lying , sniveling , canting , Presbyterian Rascals , but one way or other had a hand in the late horrid Conspiracy and Rebellion ; upon my Conscience I believe it , and would have been as deep in the actual Rebellion , had it had any little Success , as that other Fellow Hicks ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.438) their Principles carry them to it : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.439) Presbytery has all manner of Villainy in it , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.440) nothing but Presbytery could lead that Fellow Dunne to tell so many Lyes as he has here told ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.441) for shew me a Presbyterian , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.442) and I will engage to shew a lying Knave . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.443) Lisle . L. C. J. I am sure you had great reason for it . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.445) Lisle . L. C. J. Oh then ! (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.447) Ungrateful , ungrateful adds to the Load which is between Man and Man , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.448) and is the basest Crime that any one can be guilty of . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.449) Lisle . London , I could have had my Lady Abergavenny , and several other Persons of Quality , that could have testified how much I was against this Rebellion , and with what Detestation I spoke against it , during the time of it ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.450) for I was all that time at London , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.451) and staid there till after the Duke of Monmouth was beheaded ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.452) and if I had certainly known the time of my Trial in the Country , I could have had the Testimony of those Persons of Honour for me . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.453) But , my Lord , I am told , and so I thought it would have been , that I should not have been try'd as a Traitor for harbouring him , till he was Convict for a Traitor . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.454) My Lord , I would take my Death of it , that I never knew of Nelthorp's coming , nor any thing of his being Nelthorp ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.455) I never ask'd his Name , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.456) and if he had told it me , I had then remember'd the Proclamation . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.457) I do assure you , my Lord , for my own part , I did abhor those that were in that horrid Plot and Conspiracy against the King's Life ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.458) I know my Duty to my King better , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.459) and have always exercised it , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.460) I defy any body in the world that ever knew the contrary , to come and give Testimony . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.461) L. C. J. Have you any more to say ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.462) Lisle . Nelthorp to be in my House , I was in great Consternation and Fear of the Soldiers , who were very rude and violent , and could not be restrained by their Officers from Robbery , and plundering my House . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.463) And I beseech your Lordship to make that Construction of it ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.464) and I humbly beg of your Lordship not to harbour an ill Opinion of me , because of those false Reports that go about of me , relating to my Carriage towards the old King , that I was any ways consenting to the Death of King Charles I. (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.465) for , my Lord , that is as false as God is true ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.466) my Lord , I was not out of my Chamber all the day , in which that King was beheaded , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.467) and I believe I shed more Tears for him , than any Woman then living did ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.468) and this the late Countess of Monmouth , and my Lady Marlborough , and my Lord Chancellor Hyde , if they were alive , and twenty Persons of the most eminent Quality , could bear witness for me . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.469) And I do repeat it , my Lord , as I hope to attain Salvation , I never did know Nelthrop , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.470) nor never did see him before in my Life , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.471) nor did I know of any body's coming , but Mr. Hicks , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.472) and him I did know to be a Nonconformist Minister ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.473) and there being , as is well known , Warrants out to apprehend all Nonconformist Ministers , I was willing to give him shelter from these Warrants . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,122C2.474) I was come down but that Week into the Country , when this Man came to me from Mr. Hicks , to know if he might be receiv'd at my House ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.475) and I told him , if Mr. Hicks pleas'd , he might come upon Tuesday in the Evening , and should be welcome ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.476) but withal I told him , I must go away the Monday following from that place , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.477) but while I staid I would entertain him . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.478) And I beseech your Lordship to believe , I had no intention to harbour him but as a Nonconformist , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.479) and that I knew was no Treason : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.480) It $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be imagined , that I would venture the hazard of my own Life , and the Ruin both-3 of myself and Children , to conceal one that I never knew in my Life , as I did not know Mr. Nelthorp , but had heard of him in the Proclamation . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.481) And for that white-headed Man that speaks of my denying them , as I said before , he was one of them that rifled and plunder'd my House , and tore open my Trunk ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.482) and if I should not be convicted , he and the rest of them may be call'd to account for what they did , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.483) for they ought not to have meddled with my Goods : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.484) Besides , my Lord , I have a Witness that can testify what Mr. Nelthorp said , when he was examined before - (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.485) L. C. J. Look you , Mrs. Lisle , that will signify little ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.486) but if you have any Witnesses , call them , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.487) we will hear what they say : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.488) Who is that Man you speak of ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.489) Lisle . George Creed his Name is ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.490) there he is . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.491) L. C. J. Well , what do you know ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.492) Creed . I heard Nelthorp say , that my Lady Lisle did not know of his coming , nor did not know his Name ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.493) nor had he ever told his name , till he named himself to Col. Penruddock when he was taken . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.494) L. C. J. Well , this is nothing ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.495) she is not indicted for harbouring Nelthorp , but Hicks : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.496) Have you any more Witnesses ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.497) Lisle . L. C. J. Have you any more to say for yourself ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.499) Lisle . L. C. J. Nay , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell when you came into the Country , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.501) nor I do not care ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.502) it seems you came time enough to harbour Rebels . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.503) Lisle . London till all the Rebellion was past and over ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.504) and I never uttered a good Word for the Rebels , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.505) nor ever harbour'd so much as a good Wish for them in my Mind : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.506) I know the King is my Sovereign , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.507) and I know my Duty to him , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.508) and if I would have ventured my Life for any thing , it should have been to serve him , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.509) I know it is his due , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.510) and I owed all I had in the World to him : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.511) But tho' I could not fight for him my self , my Son did ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.512) he was actually in Arms on the King's side in this Business ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.513) I instructed him always in Loyalty , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.514) and sent him thither ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.515) it was I that bred him up to fight for the King . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.516) L. C. J. Well , have you done ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.517) Lisle . L. C. J. Have you a mind to say any thing more ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.519) Lisle . L. C. J. Then command Silence . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.521) Which was done by Proclamation . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.522) Lisle . Keinsham , where Mr. Hicks is said to be in Arms , does not lie in this County . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C1.525) L. C. J. That is nothing : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.527) But the Treason you committed was in this County . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.528) Lisle . Nelthorp's being there , I never heard any : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.530) indeed one of them asked me , whether the Duke of Monmouth was beheaded ; (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.531) and I told them , yes , (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.532) for so he was before I came out of Town : (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.533) And that is all the Discourse that I can remember , wherein he is concerned . (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.534) L. C. J. Well , have you any more to say now ? (LISLE-E3-H,IV,123C2.535) Lisle .