Mr. At. Gen. Now , my Lord , we shall go to our Evidence to prove , that all this is absolutely false : (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.2) For Ireland went out of Town into Staffordshire , (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.3) and did not return till after the 9th of September . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.4) And for this , we call Anne Ireland . Who was sworn . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.5) Mr. Sol. Gen. Mrs. Ireland , pray where did you take your leave of your Brother Mr. Ireland , who was executed in Summer 1678 , and when ? (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.6) Mrs. A. Ireland . I took my leave of him the beginning of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.7) Mr. Sol. Gen. What day in August , do you remember ? (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.8) Mrs. A. Ireland . The 3d of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.9) Mr. Sol. Gen. Where was it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.10) Mrs. A. Ireland . In my own Lodging . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.11) L. C. J. Where was your Lodging ? (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.12) Mrs. A. Ireland . In Russel-street , Covent-Garden . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.13) L. C. J. Now tell us again the time when it was ? (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.14) Mrs. A. Ireland . It was on Saturday Morning , as I remember , the 3d of August , the Saturday after St. Ignatius's Day . (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.15) L. C. J. How come you remember so particularly , that it was then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,72.C2.16) Mrs. A. Ireland . Because upon St. Ignatius's Day , we were invited to Mr. Gifford's at Hammersmith ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.18) my Brother , my Mother , and I , were invited to stay all Night : (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.19) But my Brother refused to stay , because - (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.20) L. C. J. Which Brother ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.21) What was his Name ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.22) Mrs. A. Ireland . William Ireland . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.23) L. C. J. Did they stay there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.24) Mrs. A. Ireland . No , my Lord , my Brother came home on foot , (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.25) but we staid all Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.26) Mr. At. Gen. Here is an Almanack of that Year : (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.27) And the 3d of August was on a Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.28) Mrs. A. Ireland . He said he could not stay , because he was to go into the Country upon Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.29) I ask'd him , Why he would set out on Saturday ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.30) And says he , $I $'ll {TEXT:I'll} go to Standen ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.31) there I shall meet with my Lord Aston , and his Family ; and have an Opportunity to go with him into Staffordshire . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.32) L. C. J. She says , he went out of Town on Saturday after St. Ignatius's Day ; which was Saturday the 3d of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.33) But there being a Discourse between her and her Brother , why he should make choice of a Saturday ; which she thought , it seems , was an inconvenient Day to take a Journey on : (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.34) And upon that , her Brother made answer again , That that Night he would only go to Standen , to my Lord Aston's House , where he should meet with Company to go along with him into Staffordshire . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.35) Mr. At. Gen. What Day of the Week was St. Ignatius's Day ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.36) Mrs. A. Ireland . St. Ignatius's Day was on a Wednesday . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.37) L. C. J. What day of the Month is St. Ignatius's Day ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.38) Mrs. A. Ireland . It is either the last Day of July , or the 1st of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.39) L. C. J. Look on your Almanack , if you have any one of that Year , Mr. Attorney . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.40) Mr. At. Gen. We have no such Saint in our Almanack . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.41) Mrs. A. Ireland . It was , as near as I can remember , the 3d of August , that he went out of Town . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.42) Mr. Sol. Gen. The 3d of August , at that time , was on a Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.43) Lord Petre . St. Ignatius's Day is always the last Day of July , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.44) Mr. At. Gen. In this Almanack , another Saint has justled him out ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.45) and that is Bishop German . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.46) L. C. J. And in my Almanack , a third has justled them both out : (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.47) but my Lord Petre says , it is always the last of July ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.48) and that was on a Wednesday that Year . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.49) Mrs. A. Ireland . I remember it was on a Wednesday . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.50) L. C. J. And you are sure he went out of Town the Saturday after ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.51) Mrs. A. Ireland . Yes , I am sure he went out of Town then ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.52) for I asked him , why he would go on a Saturday ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.53) And he told me , he would go but to Standen that Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.54) Mr. Sol. Gen. And that does hold , according to the Computation , to be the 3d of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.55) Oates . My Lord , she is not positive in this , that he went out of Town the 3d of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.56) Mr. At. Gen. Yes , but she is ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.57) for she says , that she was the Wednesday before which was St. Ignatius's Day with him a little way out of Town . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.58) L. C. J. And that it was Saturday after he went out of Town ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C1.59) and she gives the Reason , that she entered into a Discourse with him , why he would go on Saturday ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.60) And he made that Answer which you hear . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.61) Mr. Just. Withins . Mr. Oates knows what Day St. Ignatius's Day is upon , I presume . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.62) Oates . It is the last Day of July , I think . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.63) Mr. Sol. Gen. In our Protestant Almanacks , it seems , we give another Bishop place . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.64) Mr. At. Gen. Mrs. Ireland , when did you see him again ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.65) Mrs. A. Ireland . Just a Fortnight before Michaelmas , and not before . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.66) L. C. J. You were his near Relation , I suppose ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.67) Mrs. A. Ireland . Yes , my Lord , I was his Sister . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.68) L. C. J. Pray , when he came to Town again , where did he lodge ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.69) Mrs. A. Ireland . He used to lodge at the same place where we did always ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.70) and in the mean time , while he was absent , my Mother lent one Mrs. Eagleston his Lodging . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.71) L. C. J. Is that Person , you lent his Chamber to in his Absence , here ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.72) Mrs. A. Ireland . No , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.73) L. C. J. When did she enter upon his Lodging ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.74) Mrs. A. Ireland . Truly , my Lord , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.75) her Maid fell sick , (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.76) and so she came down a pair of Stairs lower into his Lodging . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.77) It was in a short time after he went out of Town , my Lord , as I remember . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.78) L. C. J. When did he come to Town again , do you say ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.79) Mrs. A. Ireland . He came to Town again a Fortnight before Michaelmas ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.80) that Michaelmas-day fell on - (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.81) L. C. J. Have you any Questions to ask her , Mr. Oates ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.82) Oates . My Lord , I desire to know , why she did not give this Evidence before ? Or whether ever she did give this Evidence at any of the Trials ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.83) Mrs. A. Ireland . Yes , I was at my Brother's Trial ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.84) and there I gave the same Evidence . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.85) Oates . Were you there at the Trial of the five Jesuits ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.86) And did you give the same Evidence then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.87) Mrs. A. Ireland . No , I was not call'd . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.88) L. C. J. But were you there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.89) Mrs. A. Ireland . I was in the Court at the same time , (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.90) but was not examin'd . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.91) Oates . What Year is it you speak of , that he went out of Town the 3d of August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.92) Mrs. A. Ireland . The Year 78 . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.93) Oates . I desire , my Lord , to ask this Gentlewoman , what Religion she is of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.94) Mrs. A. Ireland . I am a Roman Catholick , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.95) Oates . I desire to know , whether her Name be Ireland or Ironmonger ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.96) Mrs. A. Ireland . My right Name is Ironmonger ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.97) but because of his Profession , he went by the Name of Ireland ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.98) and for his sake we go by that Name too . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.99) Oates . By what Name did you give Evidence at Ireland's Trial ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.100) Mrs. A. Ireland . By that Name of Ireland . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.101) L. C. J. Why , Mr. Oates , that is a good Name enough to be call'd by ; (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.102) you may remember , you were called Titus Ambrosius , and Sampson Lucy , at St. Omers . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.103) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mrs. Eleanor Ireland . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.104) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.105) Mr. At. Gen. When did your Son go out of Town ? (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.106) Mrs. El. Ireland . The 3d of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,73.C2.107) Mr. Sol. Gen. Are you sure it was the 3d of August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.109) Mrs. El. Ireland . Yes , I am sure it was . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.110) Mr. Sol. Gen. What Year was it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.111) Mrs. El. Ireland . My Memory is not good enough for that ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.112) I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell what Year , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.113) my Daughter can . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.114) Mr. Sol. Gen. Was it the same Year he was tried afterwards ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.115) Mrs. El. Ireland . Yes , it was the same Summer ; at Michaelmas after he was taken up . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.116) Mr. Sol. Gen. What time did he return again out of the Country ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.117) Mrs. El. Ireland . The 14th of September after . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.118) Oates . My Lord , I would ask her , Whether or no she gave this Evidence at her Son's Trial ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.119) Mrs. El. Ireland Yes , I was a Witness there ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.120) but they would not permit me to speak half so much ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.121) they would hardly let me speak at all . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.122) Oates . I desire to know , whether she was an Evidence at the five Jesuits Trials ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.123) Mrs. El. Ireland . No , I was not there then . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.124) Mr. At. Gen. Pray swear Mrs. Duddle , and Mrs. Quino . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.125) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.126) Mr. Sol. Gen. Come , Mrs. Duddle , do you remember when Mr. Ireland went out of Town , in the Year 78 ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.127) Mrs. Duddle . To the best of my Remembrance , it was the 3d of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.128) Mr. Sol. Gen. Why do you think it was the 3d of August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.129) Mrs. Duddle . He went for a Recreation out of Town three Days before , which was upon an Holiday , St. Ignatius's Day ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.130) and he went out of Town one Night then , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.131) and he came and staid but two Nights after ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.132) and went out of Town upon the Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.133) L. C. J. Did he stay out of Town one Night ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.134) Mrs. Duddle . Yes , he staid out of Town all Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.135) L. C. J. Are you sure he staid all Night ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.136) Mrs. Duddle . I am sure he staid but one Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.137) L. C. J. But what say you to that , Mr. Attorney ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.138) this Witness contradicts the other . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.139) Mr. Just. Withins . Ay , plainly . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.140) Mrs. Duddle . Mrs. Ireland , and Mrs. Anne Ireland , and he went out upon a Recreation out of Town , it being Holiday ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.141) and I remember well , that was of a Wednesday : (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.142) And that Saturday he went away , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.143) and never came again till a Fortnight before Michaelmas . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.144) L. C. J. But mind my Question , Woman . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.145) Mrs. Duddle . Yes , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.146) L. C. J. Did he come home that Night he went on the Recreation ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.147) Mrs. Duddle . I do not know . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.148) L. C. J. But just now , you swore he staid out all Night ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.149) Mrs. Duddle . No , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.150) L. C. J. Yes , but you did though ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.151) $pray $thee {TEXT:prithee} mind what thou art about . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.152) Mrs. Duddle . I do not say he , but I am sure his Sister and the Company staid out that Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.153) I remember very well , he went the third Day after , which was Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.154) And Mr. Jennison came to ask for him three Weeks after ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.155) and there was a Person of Quality with him in the Coach ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.156) I think it was Sir Miles Wharton . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.157) And he asking for him , they gave him an account , that they had not heard from him since he went ; which was then three Weeks after he was gone . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C1.158) And I remember well , he did not come to Town again till a Fortnight before Michaelmas . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.159) L. C. J. How can you tell that ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.160) Mrs. Duddle . My Lord , I can tell it very well : (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.161) For I was almost every Night in the Room where he used to lie ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.162) and there lay a Gentlewoman there , that I knew . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.163) L. C. J. What was her Name ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.164) Mrs. Duddle . Mrs. Eagleston . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.165) L. C. J. How come she to lie there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.166) Mrs. Duddle . Her Maid fell sick , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.167) and she chang'd her own Chamber , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.168) and lay there all the time he was out of Town . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.169) Oates . My Lord , is this good Evidence ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.170) L. C. J. Ay , why not ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.171) Oates . My Lord , I think she contradicts the other Witness : (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.172) For she says he lay out two Nights . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.173) L. C. J. No , there you are mistaken too . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.174) But I tell you what I did observe before . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.175) Mrs. Anne Ireland swore , that they did stay all night ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.176) but Mr. Ireland refused to stay there , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.177) but would go home , because he was to go his Journey on Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.178) Then this Woman comes ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.179) and she said at first , that he went out of Town on the Wednesday , and staid out all Night , and lay at home but two Nights , and then went away . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.180) But now when I put her in mind to take care what she said , she swears , she is sure the Sister lay out , but she is not sure of Ireland's lying out . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.181) But she is positive he went away on Saturday the 3d of August , and return'd not till a Fortnight before Michaelmas . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.182) Oates . My Lord , I humbly conceive , she having once sworn false - (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.183) L. C. J. Ay , but she immediately recollected her self . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.184) Oates . By what Token does she remember it to be the 3d of August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.185) L. C. J. She said before , it was the Saturday after St. Ignatius's Day , which was on a Wednesday , the last Day of July ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.186) and he went then out of Town . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.187) She call'd it by the Name of Recreation . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.188) Oates . Was it the Saturday after St. Ignatius's Day ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.189) Mrs. Duddle . Yes , it was : (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.190) And I had not remember'd it , but that it was upon that Holiday . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.191) Oates . This is a Roman Catholick , I suppose , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.192) L. C. J. I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.193) What Religion are you of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.194) Mrs. Duddle . I am a Roman Catholick , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.195) Mr. Jennison knows what I say to be true . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.196) Oates . Were you a Witness in any of the Trials at the Old-Bailey ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.197) Mrs. Duddle . I was in the Court , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.198) but was not call'd . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.199) Mr. Sol. Gen. What say you , Mrs. Quino ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.200) When did Mr. Ireland go out of Town ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.201) Mrs. Quino . I must say the same ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.202) it was the 3d Day of August , on a Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.203) L. C. J. How do you know that it was on a Saturday the 3d of August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.204) Mrs. Quino . By the same Reason that she speaks . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.205) I mark'd that other Day he went out of Town ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.206) and he came again , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.207) and his Mother staid there that Night : (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.208) And he went on Saturday Morning out of Town . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.209) I know it very well ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.210) for my Husband was his Taylor , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.211) and he had somewhat to alter in his Clothes ; (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.212) and I brought it immediately after it was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.213) L. C. J. Are you sure he went out of Town that Day ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.214) Mrs. Quino . He went out of the House , (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.215) and as I take it , went out of Town ? (OATES-E3-H,4,74.C2.216) L. C. J. Did he say , he was to go out of Town ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.218) Mrs. Quino . He had his Boots on ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.219) and took Horse at the Bull-Inn in Drury-lane . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.220) L. C. J. How do you know it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.221) Mrs. Quino . Because his Servant that was there has testified it . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.222) Mr. At. Gen. Now swear my Lord Aston . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.223) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.224) $We $'ll {TEXT:We'll} bring Ireland now upon the 3d of August at Night , to my Lord Aston's House at Standen . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.225) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray will your Lordship give my Lord and the Jury an account , when Mr. Ireland came to your House , and how far he travelled with you afterwards ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.226) Lord Aston . My Lord , being in Town , I was spoke to , and desired , that Mr. Ireland might have the Opportunity of going in my Company down into Staffordshire ; which I consented to . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.227) I went out of Town , as I remember , the latter end of July 1678 , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.228) and this same Mr. Ireland came to me at my house in Hertfordshire at Standen , upon the 3d of August at Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.229) L. C. J. What Day of the Week was that , my Lord ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.230) Lord Aston . As I remember , it was Saturday , and in the Evening . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.231) L. C. J. How long did he stay with your Lordship ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.232) Lord Aston . My Lord , I staid till Monday at Standen ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.233) and upon Monday he went in my Company to St. Albans , which was the 5th of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.234) Mr. At. Gen. Whither then did you go , my Lord ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.235) Lord Aston . There I met with my Brother and Sister Southcoat . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.236) L. C. J. Sir John Southcoat you mean , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.237) Lord Aston . Yes , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.238) And thence , in four Days , we went to my House at Tixhall . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.239) L. C. J. Did Mr. Ireland travel with you all the way ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.240) Lord Aston . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} charge my Memory , my Lord , that he did , so as particularly to swear it : (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.241) But there he came into my Company sometimes at Tixhall ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.242) but I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell the particular Days : (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.243) Nor could I speak positively to those things that I have spoke to now , but that I find in my Note-Book , that at that time he did come to my House at Standen , and did go with me to St. Albans . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.244) Mr. At. Gen. Pray , my Lord , did he go that Journey to Tixhall along with you ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.245) Lord Aston . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} say positively that , Mr. Attorney ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.246) but I have a general Notion that he did . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.247) Nor could I testify this so positively , I say , but by Notes that I have of things at that time : Where I have only writ down these things concerning Mr. Ireland , that he came the 3d of August to my House at Standen : That on Monday we went together to St. Albans ; and there met us Sir John Southcoat , and my Sister his Wife ; and thence I went to Tixhall ; and there I arriv'd the 8th of August , which was Thursday . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.248) L. C. J. My Lord , I ask you this Question ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.249) you say , you have a general Apprehension , that he did go with you to Tixhall : (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.250) Pray , did he come with you to Standen for that purpose , to go with you to Tixhall ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.251) Lord Aston . I had no business with him at all ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.252) but he desired the opportunity to go down in my Company into Staffordshire . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.253) L. C. J. Pray , my Lord , do you remember you saw him within four or five Days after at Tixhall ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C1.254) Lord Aston . To name particular Days , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.256) but that I saw him several Days at Tixhall , I am sure . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.257) Oates . My Lord , you say that Sir John Southcoat went with you to Tixhall . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.258) Lord Aston . Yes , he did so . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.259) Oates . My Lord , I would ask this Nobleman , whether he was at the Trial of the five Jesuits ? or the Trial of Ireland ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.260) Lord Aston . No , my Lord , I was not . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.261) Oates . Then I would ask my Lord , if he saw Mr. Ireland executed ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.262) Lord Aston . No , I did not . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.263) Oates . Then I would ask him this Question ; whether the Ireland that was executed be the same Ireland he speaks of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.264) Lord Aston . Amongst those that knew him well , I have been told it was the same . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.265) Oates . That is but Hear-say , my Lord ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.266) he does not speak of his own Knowledge . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.267) L. C. J. For that matter , I suppose , $you $'ll {TEXT:you'll} produce some other Ireland , Mr. Oates , if it was not the same . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.268) Mr. At. Gen. Was it this Mrs. Ireland's Brother , that was here a Witness now ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.269) Lord Aston . He was so reputed , and so looked upon . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.270) L. C. J. That is all one . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.271) If any body should ask me , if you were the same Mr. Oates that was at St. Omers ; I should say , I heard so ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.272) and it would be very good Evidence , unless some one else were produc'd . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.273) Oates . My Lord , I submit ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.274) I will be directed by the Court in any thing that is fair , and not injurious to my Defence . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.275) L. C. J. We will not direct you in any thing $that $'s {TEXT:that's} foul , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.276) but pray keep to those Questions that are pertinent . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.277) Oates . Are you sure Ireland went the whole Journey with you , my Lord ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.278) Lord Aston . I did answer that ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.279) I have but a general Notion of it , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.280) he came to me for that purpose . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.281) Oates . Then my Lord is not positive he went with him into Staffordshire . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.282) L. C. J. No he is not ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.283) but I would ask you this Question . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.284) My Lord Aston , do you believe he went with you to Tixhall ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.285) Lord Aston . I make no doubt about it , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.286) I would pawn all I have in the World upon it ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.287) only I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} swear it , because I have it not in my Notes , as I have those two other Days . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.288) Mr. Just. Withins . Do you like him the worse , because he is cautious , Mr. Oates ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.289) Oates . No , Sir , I do not . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.290) But pray , my Lord , ask him , because it is a Question here about a point of Time ; whether he remembers , that within eight or ten Days , he saw Ireland at Tixhall ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.291) Lord Aston . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} say any thing as to that . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.292) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Sir Edward Southcoat . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.293) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.294) L. C. J. I thought you had called him Sir John Southcoat . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.295) Mr. At. Gen. Sir John is sick , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.296) and $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be here . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.297) Oates . I suppose my Lord Aston is a Roman Catholick ? (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.298) L. C. J. Ay , that all the World knows very well ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.299) but I tell you what , Mr. Oates , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.300) I observe , he is not so easy in giving his Oath ; (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.301) nay , he is wonderful cautious in swearing : (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.302) I speak it for his Commendation , not as his Fault , (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.303) he is not very forward at swearing . (OATES-E3-H,4,75.C2.304) L. C. J. You say , you did write to him upon the 2d of September ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.306) Mrs. Harwell . Yes , I did so . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.307) L. C. J. What was the occasion of your writing to him at that time ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.308) Mrs. Harwell . One Madame Dormer was then in those Parts , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.309) and he being gone a visiting his Friends at Black-Ladies , I writ to him , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.310) and desired him to give her a Visit , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.311) for I knew she would be glad to see him . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.312) L. C. J. He came back to you the 4th of September , you say ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.313) Mrs. Harwell . Yes , he did so , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.314) L. C. J. Did he own upon the fourth of September , that he had received your Letter ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.315) Mrs. Harwell . He said he had been at the Place , My Lord , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.316) but I know not whether he had received my Letter or no ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.317) but I am sure he waited upon my Lady , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.318) for she told me so afterwards . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.319) Oates . I desire to know , whether this Gentlewoman was at Ireland's Trial ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.320) Mrs. Harwell . No , my Lord ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.321) but I heard that upon the 17th of December following , Mr. Ireland was tried at the Old-Bailey for High-Treason . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.322) Upon the 19th , I was informed by the Post what was sworn against him ; and particularly as to this time , which I knew to be false : (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.323) And upon my own Cost and Charges I sent an Express away to Town here to a Friend that I knew , upon reading the Letter that was written to me , that Mr. Ireland was falsely accused ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.324) and by that Express also I sent a Petition , humbly beseeching his late Majesty , that we might bring in Witnesses to prove , that Mr. Ireland was in Staffordshire , when Mr. Oates swore he was in Town ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.325) and upon that the King staid the Execution about five Weeks . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.326) We did hope for a second Trial , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.327) but we could not obtain it ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.328) and he was executed . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.329) I did it at my own Cost and Charges : (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.330) For I thought it my Duty , if I could , to save his Life . knowing that to be false which was sworn against him . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.331) L. C. J. She speaks gravely and soberly , upon my Word . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.332) Mr. Just. Withins . So she does indeed . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.333) Mr. At. Gen. We have abundance of them , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.334) Swear Mr. William Rushton . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.335) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.336) Mr. Sol. Gen. Tell my Lord what you know of Mr. Ireland's being at Mrs. Harwell's in August 1678 , at Wolverhampton . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.337) Mr. Rushton . My Lord , in the Month of August 1678 , I did see Mr. William Ireland at Wolverhampton in the County of Stafford ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.338) and it was upon the 18th of August , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.339) and I saw him there , from the 18th to the 25th , every one of the days but one , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.340) and that I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be positive in . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.341) He went that day to Litchfield , which was upon the 23d , as I take it , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.342) but I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be positive ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.343) but all the rest of the days I did see him there once , if not twice or thrice a day . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.344) Mr. At. Gen. Where did he lodge then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.345) Mr. Rushton . At Mr. Jyfford's , or Mrs. Harwell's . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.346) Oates . Were you at any of the Trials of Ireland , or the five Jesuits , Sir ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.347) Mr. Rushton . No , I was never at one till now . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.348) Oates . Pray , my Lord , what Religion is this Gentleman of , I desire to know ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C1.349) Mr. Rushton . Not of your Worship's Religion , Dr. Oates . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.351) L. C. J. But answer this Question . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.352) Mr. Rushton . I am a Catholick . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.353) Oates . A Roman Catholick he means , I suppose . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.354) Mr. Rushton . Yes ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.355) I am a Roman Catholick , and a loyal Subject . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.356) Mr. Sol. Gen. Swear Mrs. Katherine Winford . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.357) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.358) Mr. At. Gen. Mrs. Winford , pray did you see Mr. Ireland at Mrs. Harwell's , in the Year 1678 ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.359) Mrs. Winford . Yes , I did , Sir . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.360) Mr. At. Gen. Pray tell the Court what you do know of that matter . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.361) Mrs. Winford . I did hear at Wolverhampton , that Mr. Ireland came to Town the 17th of August , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.362) and I did see him there the 18th , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.363) and I did see him there the 19th , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.364) and I did see him the ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.365) and I saw him there upon the 22d , 23d , 24th , and 25th , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.366) and that was the last time I saw him there . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.367) L. C. J. At Mrs. Harwell's was it that you saw him ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.368) Mrs. Winford . Sometimes at Mrs. Harwell's , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.369) and sometimes at my Father's House , who lived in that Town . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.370) Oates . My Lord , I desire to know how she comes to remember those Days so particularly ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.371) Mrs. Winford . I remember them , because St. Bartholomew's Day was the 24th of August , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.372) and that was the Saturday after he came to Town ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.373) and the first day I saw him was the Sunday before , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.374) and so I reckon it to be on those days I saw him . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.375) L. C. J. Have you any other Questions to ask her , Mr. Oates ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.376) Oates . No , my Lord , I have not : (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.377) She was a Witness before at Whitebread's Trial , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.378) and was not believed there . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.379) L. C. J. Well , make your Remarks by and by , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.380) and let them now go on with their Evidence . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.381) Mr. Sol. Gen. Then swear Mr. William Stanley . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.382) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.383) Mr. At. Gen. Pray , did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton , and when ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.384) Mr. Stanley . Upon the 18th of August 78 . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.385) It was Sunday , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.386) I saw Mr. Ireland in Wolverhampton in the Morning , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.387) and in the Afternoon he was in my own House . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.388) Upon Monday the 19th I saw him twice that day at my own House ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.389) I positively speak that , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.390) and I verily believe I did see him on Tuesday the , and Wednesday the 21st ; (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.391) but Thursday and Friday I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} say I did see him those two Days : (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.392) For he went upon one of them to Litchfield . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.393) But upon Saturday and Sunday I am sure I saw him , and two or three times some days . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.394) Oates . Pray , Mr. Stanley , did you know him before ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.395) Mr. Stanley . No , I did not , Sir . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.396) Oates . Was you at his Trial ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.397) Mr. Stanley . No , I was not . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.398) Oates . Were you at the five Jesuits Trial ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.399) Mr. Stanley . No , I was not in London since , till the last Term . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.400) Oates . What Religion are you of , Sir ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.401) Mr. Stanley . What Religion are you of , Mr. Oates ? (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.402) L. C. J. Nay , do not ask Questions , (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.403) but answer the Questions he asks . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.404) Mr. Stanley . I am a Roman Catholick . (OATES-E3-H,4,82.C2.405) Mr. At. Gen. Mr. Stanley , pray can you recollect any Circumstance how you came to remember that it was such and such Days that you saw him ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.407) Mr. Stanley . Yes , my Lord , I can . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.408) L. C. J. What are they , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.409) tell them us ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.410) Mr. Stanley . I buried a Child that Morning , being Sunday the 18th of August , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.411) and he came to my House in the Afternoon , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.412) and I entertained him with those things that I had provided for to entertain my Friends at the Funeral . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.413) On Monday was a Wake , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.414) and the young People went all to the Wake , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.415) and left Madam Harwell alone ; (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.416) and so she came with him to my House , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.417) and I entertained him with the same kind of Entertainment that I did the Day before . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.418) L. C. J. That is a remarkable Circumstance indeed . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.419) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mrs. Dorothy Purcell . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.420) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.421) What say you Mrs. Purcell , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.422) when did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.423) Mrs. Purcell . I saw him the 18th , 19th , , 21st , 22d , and 23d Days of August , 1678 . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.424) Mr. At. Gen. Where did you see him ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.425) Mrs. Purcell . At a Friend's House in Wolverhampton . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.426) L. C. J. How come you to remember those Days of the Month ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.427) Mr. Purcell . I remember them by particular Circumstances . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.428) L. C. J. What are those particular Circumstances ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.429) Let us hear them , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.430) how come you to name those very Days , the 18th , 19th , and so on ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.431) Mrs. Purcell . I can remember it as well as any thing in the World . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.432) Oates . I desire , my Lord , that she may tell how she does remember it . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.433) Mrs. Purcell . $That $'s {TEXT:That's} enough , and as much as need to be said , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.434) I remember very well . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.435) Oates . But I desire to know how you come to remember it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.436) Mrs. Purcell . I remember it , I tell you , very well ; (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.437) and I do affirm I saw him there . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.438) Oates . But you do not tell what Circumstances you remember it by . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.439) Mrs. Purcell . No , there is no need of it , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.440) I am sure I saw him there then . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.441) Mr. At. Gen. Tell him some Circumstances . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.442) Mrs. Purcell . Those were the Days before Bartholomew Eve . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.443) Oates . My Lord , is this any thing of Evidence ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.444) L. C. J. The Jury hears it , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.445) and they will consider of it . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.446) Oates . What Religion are you of , Mistress ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.447) Mrs. Purcell . Must I tell what Religion I am of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.448) L. C. J. Yes , answer his Question . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.449) Oates . I dare say , she is a Papist ; (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.450) she need not trouble her head to answer it . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.451) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mr. Scott . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.452) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.453) Were you at Wolverhampton when Mr. Ireland was there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.454) Scott . Yes , I was . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.455) Mr. At. Gen. Did you do any service for him there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.456) Scott . I look'd to his Horse . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.457) Mr. At. Gen. When did he come thither , do you remember ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.458) Scott . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell just the time that he came in . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.459) Mr. At. Gen. What Day of the Week was it that he came thither ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.460) Scott . It was of a Saturday . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.461) Mr. At. Gen. What Month was it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C1.462) Scott . I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell very well what Month it was ; (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.464) it was in August I think . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.465) Mr. At. Gen. How long did he continue there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.466) Scott . The space of a Fortnight off and on . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.467) Oates . Is that Evidence , my Lord , that he has delivered ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.468) L. C. J. It is but very small Evidence . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.469) It is only circumstantial to confirm the other Testimony . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.470) Mr. At. Gen. How long was it before Ireland was tried and executed , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.471) can you tell that ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.472) Scott . No , I know nothing of it . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.473) Mr. At. Gen. Then swear Mr. John Stamford . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.474) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.475) Mr. Sol. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.476) and when was it , I pray you ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.477) Mr. Stamford . My Lord , in the Year 1675 , I was sent beyond Sea to St. Omers , to fetch over two young Gentlemen that were Students there ; (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.478) and there I became acquainted with Mr. Ireland , who was then Procurator of the Jesuits at St. Omers . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.479) And in August 78 , I did see him in Wolverhampton , upon the Sunday after the Assumption of our Lady ; which was the 15th of August , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.480) he came to see me , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.481) and I saw him there that Day . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.482) L. C. J. What Day of the Month is the Assumption of our Lady ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.483) Mr. Stamford . That is always the 15th of August , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.484) Mr. At. Gen. How often did you see him there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.485) Mr. Stamford . I saw him Sunday and Monday , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.486) and till that seven-night ; I saw him every Day in that Week but one , when he went to Litchfield . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.487) Oates . My Lord , I desire to know how he comes to remember that it was at that time ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.488) L. C. J. He tells you a Reason for it , because it fell out to be upon the Sunday after the Assumption of our Lady , which is always the 15th of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.489) Oates . My Lord , he says he came acquainted with Mr. Ireland at St. Omers . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.490) L. C. J. Yes , he says , that was in the Year 1675 . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.491) Oates . I desire to know , my Lord , what business he had there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.492) L. C. J. He tells you , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.493) he went to fetch over two young Men that were Students there . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.494) Oates . Pray , my Lord , I desire to know what Religion he is of . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.495) L. C. J. What Religion are you of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.496) Mr. Stamford . I am a Roman Catholick . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.497) Oates . I desire to know what is his Profession ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.498) Mr. Stamford . I am a younger Brother of as {TEXT:a} good and loyal Family as any of the County of Stafford , and that suffered as much as any for the late King . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.499) Oates . I believe if it were look'd into , he is somewhat else besides a younger Brother . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.500) Mr. At. Gen. Yes , he says he is of a loyal Family . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.501) L. C. J. I am sure there is such a Family in that County that were great Sufferers for King Charles I. and the late King ; and were very instrumental in Services for the late King , at his Escape from Worcester : (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.502) but whether he be of that Family or no , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.503) Mr. Stamford . The Doctor thinks I am a Jesuit , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.504) but $I $'ll {TEXT:I'll} assure him I have a Wife and Children . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.505) Mr. At. Gen. Mr. Oates was about to have made him a Priest , (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.506) but it seems he hath a Wife and Children , and so is out of danger . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.507) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray , swear Mrs. Katherine Fowler . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.508) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.509) Mr. At. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland , Mrs. Fowler , at Wolverhampton in 1678 ? (OATES-E3-H,4,83.C2.510) Mrs. Fowler . Yes , I did . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.512) Mr. At. Gen. When was it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.513) Mrs. Fowler . I did see him on Saturday the 17th of August at Wolverhampton ; (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.514) he came that day to my Mother's House , where I was . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.515) Mr. At. Gen. How long did he stay there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.516) Mrs. Fowler . Till the 27th , which was Monday was Seven-night after : (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.517) I was in his Company every day in that time unless it were Friday , which day they say he went to Litchfield to the Fair . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.518) L. C. J. Is Mrs. Harwell your Mother ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.519) Mrs. Fowler . Yes , my Lord , she is , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.520) and I lived at that time with my Mother . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.521) L. C. J. How do you remember this ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.522) Have you any Tokens that you can give us , why you remember it was then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.523) Mrs. Fowler . My Lord , I recollected my self after Mr. Ireland's Trial , in which Mr. Oates swore that he was here in Town between the 8th and 12th of August , that that was the very Month that Mr. Ireland was in Wolverhampton , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.524) and thereupon I concluded that Mr. Oates had not sworn true by that Recollection when it was fresh in my Memory , being within half a Year after . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.525) Oates . Madam , are you Mrs. Harwell's Daughter ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.526) Mrs. Fowler . Yes , I am so , Sir . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.527) Oates . Did you not know one Mr. Jennison ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.528) Mrs. Fowler . Which Jennison ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.529) Oates . Mr. Robert Jennison . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.530) Mrs. Fowler . Yes , I do know him . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.531) Oates . Are you not a-kin to him ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.532) Mrs. Fowler . Yes , but I am sorry to own I have such a Relation . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.533) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mr. Gifford . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.534) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.535) Mr. Sol. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland in Staffordshire , and when I pray you ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.536) Mr. Gifford . I saw him there at Wolverhampton the 17th of August 1678 , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.537) and he continued there till the 26th ; (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.538) I saw him there every day . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.539) Oates . Pray , my Lord , be pleased to ask this Gentleman , whether he were at the Trial of Ireland ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.540) Mr. Gifford . No , I was not in Court , nor examined as a Witness . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.541) Oates . Were you at the Trial of the five Jesuits , Sir ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.542) Mr. Gifford . I was there , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.543) but was not examined . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.544) L. C. J. Was it every day , say you , that you saw him at Wolverhampton ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.545) Mr. Gifford . Every day . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.546) L. C. J. They say , he was one day out of Town at Litchfield . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.547) Mr. Gifford . He was out of Town that day , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.548) but I saw him . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.549) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mrs. Elizabeth Gifford . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.550) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.551) Mr. Sol. Gen. You hear the Question , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.552) did you see Mr. Ireland in Staffordshire in 78 , and when ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.553) Mrs. E. Gifford . Mr. Ireland came to Wolverhampton the 17th of August , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.554) and continued there till the 26th . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.555) Mr. At. Gen. How do you remember it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.556) Mrs. Gifford . By a Wake that was just hard by , that was at that time : (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.557) and he came to my Uncle's House upon the Sunday following the Assumption of our Lady . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.558) Mr. At. Gen. Did you see him every day till the 26th ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.559) Mrs. Gifford . I remember I did see him every day but two days that I was abroad at the Wake . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C1.560) Oates . My Lord , I desire to know , whether she was examined at any of the former Trials ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.562) Mrs. Gifford . Yes , at the five Jesuits Trial , I was . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.563) Oates . Were you not at Ireland's Trial ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.564) Mrs. Gifford . No , I was not . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.565) Oates . There was one Gifford examined there . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.566) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mrs. Elizabeth Keeling . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.567) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.568) Mr. Sol. Gen. Did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton , and when ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.569) Keeling . Yes , my Lord , I did see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.570) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray tell when it was . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.571) Keeling . It was the 17th of August he came to my Mistress's House . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.572) Mr. Sol. Gen. What August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.573) Keeling . August before the Plot . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.574) L. C. J. Who was your Mistress ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.575) Keeling . Mrs. Harwell , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.576) Mr. Sol. Gen. How long did he continue there ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.577) Keeling . He came on the Saturday , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.578) and I saw him there till the Monday . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.579) When I was sent for to my Mother's Burying , I left him and Madam Dormer at Dinner , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.580) and came back on the Thursday . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.581) And in his Chamber I heard him discourse , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.582) but I did not see him . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.583) Upon the Friday he went abroad , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.584) and returned again that Night . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.585) Upon the Saturday I saw him , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.586) and he continued there till Monday Morning , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.587) and then he went away , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.588) and returned on Wednesday the 4th of September , (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.589) and staid till Saturday the 7th ; (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.590) and then went away from Wolverhampton . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.591) Oates . I desire to know what Religion this Woman is of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.592) Keeling . I am a Roman Catholick , God be thanked . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.593) Mr. At. Gen. Mrs. Keeling , when did Mr. Ireland return again , do you say , after he went first to Wolverhampton ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.594) Keeling . It was the Wednesday seven-night after , Sir . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.595) Mr. At. Gen. That was the 4th of September . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.596) L. C. J. How long staid he there then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.597) Keeling . Till Saturday in the Forenoon . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.598) Mr. At. Gen. Whither did he say he was going then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.599) Keeling . He said he went to Bellamour to Dinner . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.600) L. C. J. Did you see him at any time after ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.601) Keeling . No , my Lord , I saw him no more . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.602) Mr. At. Gen. Then swear Mr. Richardson . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.603) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.604) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray , Sir , will you give an account when you saw Mr. Ireland , and where , in the Year 78 ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.605) Mr. Richardson . My Lord , I saw a Gentleman that I was informed was Mr. Ireland , at Wolverhampton , at a Wake ; which was Monday the 19th of August . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.606) Mr. At. Gen. Where did he lodge ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.607) Mr. Richardson . At Mrs. Harwell's . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.608) Mr. At. Gen. What are you , a Tradesman ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.609) Mr. Richardson . Yes , an Apothecary in Wolverhampton . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.610) L. C. J. How many Days did you see him at Wolverhampton ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.611) Mr. Richardson . I saw him only one Day in the Market-place . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.612) L. C. J. You did not know Mr. Ireland before ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.613) Mr. Richardson . But I was informed that was he . (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.614) L. C. J. What became of that Ireland that you were informed was at Wolverhampton then ? (OATES-E3-H,4,84.C2.615) Mr. Richardson . I heard presently after that , upon Mr. Oates's Plot , he was secured and executed . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.617) Mr. At. Gen. What Religion are you of , pray , Sir ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.618) Mr. Richardson . I am of the Church of England . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.619) Oates . Pray , Sir , I would ask you this Question . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.620) Mr. Richardson . As many Questions as you please , Mr. Oates . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.621) Oates . Who told you it was Mr. Ireland . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.622) Mr. Richardson . Mrs. Harwell . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.623) Oates . When was it she told you it was Ireland ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.624) Mr. Richardson . To the best of my remembrance , it was before he was apprehended as a Traitor . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.625) Oates . He is uncertain when he was told so . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.626) L. C. J. Well , make what advantage you can of it by and by . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.627) Mr. At. Gen. Swear Mrs. Eleanor Graves . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.628) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.629) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray , Mistress , did you see Mr. Ireland at Wolverhampton at any time ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.630) Mrs. Graves . Yes , I did , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.631) Mr. Sol. Gen. When was it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.632) Mrs. Graves . The first time was six Years ago in August , (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.633) it is now going on seven Years since . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.634) Mr. At. Gen. What time in August was it ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.635) Mrs. Graves . The first Day was the or 21st , (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.636) I am sure I saw him upon the 22d ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.637) for I dined with him , (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.638) and was with him all the Afternoon , (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.639) and supp'd with him . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.640) Upon the 23d we went to Litchfield together , which was Bartholomew Eve . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.641) And I saw him the 25th , which was Sunday after . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.642) L. C. J. Are you sure it is the Ireland we are now speaking of ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.643) Mrs. Graves . They said it was the same Mr. Ireland that was executed . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.644) They call'd him so . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.645) L. C. J. Nay , there is no great doubt , but only for Mr. Oates's Satisfaction . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.646) Mr. At. Gen. At whose House did he lie at Wolverhampton ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.647) Mrs. Graves . At Mrs. Harwell's . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.648) Mr. At. Gen. Where was it you supp'd with him , I pray you ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.649) Mrs. Graves . He dined and supp'd at a Relation's House of mine . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.650) L. C. J. Who was that ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.651) name him . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.652) Mrs. Graves . It was at my Uncle Winford's . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.653) L. C. J. Did you go along with him to Litchfield , do you say , on the 23d ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.654) Mrs. Graves . Yes , and so did my Uncle ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.655) and at Night we came back together . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.656) Mr. Sol. Gen. What Religion are you of , Mistress ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.657) Mrs. Graves . I am of the Church of England . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.658) Oates . My Lord , I desire to ask her , how did she know it was the same Ireland that was try'd ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.659) Mrs. Graves . It was the same Ireland that they said was afterwards executed . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.660) I know no more . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.661) Mr. Sol. Gen. Did you go back with him to Mrs. Harwell's from Litchfield ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.662) Mrs. Graves . I did , to my Uncle Winford's House . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.663) Mr. At. Gen. Now we come , my Lord , to another Period of Time , which is from the 26th of August to the 29th ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.664) and for that , we first call Sir Thomas Whitegrave , who is a Justice of the Peace , and a worthy Gentleman ; a Member of the Church of England in that County . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.665) Swear him . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.666) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.667) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray , Sir Thomas , will you be pleas'd to give the Court an account , whether you saw Mr. Ireland in Staffordshire 1678 , and what time it was ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C1.668) Sir Thomas Whitegrave . I saw Mr. Ireland upon the 29th of August before the Popish Plot ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.670) it was upon a Thursday in the Afternoon upon Tixhall Bowling-green ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.671) and I discoursed with him : (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.672) he told me he was to go home that Night with Sir James Simmons , and Mr. Heveningham . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.673) They told me afterwards he went on Saturday to Hildersham , and went thence on Monday following towards Boscabel : (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.674) some time after that , a Rumour came down that Mr. Ireland was accused with others , of being in a Plot of the Papists ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.675) and myself , and some others that were in Commission for the Peace in that County , did reflect upon the time that Ireland was in the Country ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.676) and we were a little disturbed , because he had been at particular Places among our Neighbours , whom we knew to be Catholicks . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.677) Mr. At. Gen. Can you remember no Day but that one , Sir Thomas ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.678) Sir Thomas Whitegrave . Only the 29th I saw him there , and discours'd with him ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.679) and afterwards there was word sent to me , to desire me that I would come up to London at his Trial . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.680) L. C. J. And did you come up , Sir Thomas ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.681) Sir Thomas Whitegrave . No , I did not ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.682) I had no Subpoena ; (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.683) and being a Justice of the Peace , I did not think fit to leave the Country at that time without a Subpoena . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.684) Oates . My Lord , I desire to know of this Gentleman , how long he had been acquainted with Mr. Ireland . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.685) Sir Thomas Whitegrave . I never saw him before , nor since . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.686) L. C. J. He goes no further than the 29th . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.687) Mr. At. Gen. No , my Lord , he does not . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.688) Then swear Mr. William Fowler . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.689) Which was done . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.690) Mr. Sol. Gen. Pray , will you give an account when you saw Mr. Ireland , and where ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.691) Mr. Fowler . I saw Mr. Ireland upon the 27th of August 78 , in Staffordshire , at a Horse-Race at Etching-hill . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.692) The Race was run between Sir Henry Gough , and Captain Chetwind . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.693) Mr. Sol. Gen. Did you see him any other Day in that Month ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.694) Mr. Fowler . Yes , the 19th of August I saw him at Tixhall Bowling-green . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.695) Mr. Sol. Gen. When else did you see him ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.696) Mr. Fowler . I saw him the of August before . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.697) Mr. Sol. Gen. Where , at Tixhall , at my Lord Aston's House . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.698) Mr. At. Gen. Do you remember {COM:sic} Sir Thomas Whitegrave was upon the Bowling-green the 27th of August ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.699) Mr. Fowler . Yes , he was , (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.700) and did discourse with Mr. Ireland there . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.701) L. C. J. What became of Mr. Ireland afterwards ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.702) Mr. Fowler . He went about the Country for some time , my Lord . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.703) L. C. J. Was it the same Ireland that was executed ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.704) Mr. Fowler . Yes , it was the same . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.705) L. C. J. You say you saw him the 29th at Tixhall Bowling-green . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.706) Mr. Fowler . Yes , I did so . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.707) L. C. J. When you heard he was taken up for the Plot , what did they say whither he went at that time ? (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.708) Mr. Fowler . I think he went to Mr. Heveningham's , or thereabouts . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.709) Oates . I would fain know this Gentleman's Religion . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.710) Mr. Fowler . I am a Roman Catholick . (OATES-E3-H,4,85.C2.711)