When I came next vnto my father after , me thought it both conuenient and necessary , to shewe hym your letter . (MROPER-E1-P1,514.3) Conuenient , that he might therby see your louing labour taken for hym . (MROPER-E1-P1,514.4) Necessarie , that sith he might perceiue therby , that if he stande still in this scruple of his conscience as it is at the lest wise called by manie that are his frendes and wise all his frendes that seme most able to do hym good either shall finally forsake hym , or peraduenture not be hable in dede to doe hym any good att all . (MROPER-E1-P1,514.5) And for these causes , at my next being with hym after your letter receyued , when I had a while talked with hym , first of his diseases , both-1 in his brest of olde , and his reynes now by reason of grauell and stone , and of the crampe also that diuers nightes grypeth hym in his legges , and that I founde by his wordes that they wer not much increased , but continued after their maner that they dyd before , sometyme very sore and sometyme little grief , and that at that tyme I founde hym out of payne , and as one in his case might , metely well minded , after our vii psalmes and the letany said , to sit and talke and be mery , beginning first with other thinges of the good comforte of my mother , and the good order of my brother , and all my sisters , disposing them self euery day more and more to set litle by the worlde , and drawe more and more to God , and that his howsholde , his neighbours , and other good frendes abrode , diligently remembred hym in their prayers , I added vnto this : ' I pray God , good Father , that their praiers and ours , and your owne therwith , may purchase of God the grace , that you may in this great matter for which you stande in this trouble and for your trouble all we also that loue you take such a way by tyme , as standing with the pleasure of God , may content and please the King , whome ye haue alway founden so singularly gracious vnto you , that if ye shoulde stifly refuse to doe the thing that were his pleasure , which God not displeased you might doe as many great wise and well learned men say that in this thing you may it wolde both be a great blott in your worship in euery wise mans opinion and as my self haue herd some say such as your self haue alway taken for well learned and good a peryll vnto your soule also . (MROPER-E1-P1,515.6) But as for that point Father will I not be bolde to dispute vpon , sith I trust in God and your good mynde , that ye will loke surely therto . (MROPER-E1-P1,515.7) And your learning I knowe for such , that I wot well you can . (MROPER-E1-P1,515.8) But one thinge is there which I and other your frendes finde and perceiue abrode , which but if it be shewed you , you may peraduenture to your great peryll , mistake and hope for lesse harme for as for good I wot well in this worlde of this matter ye loke for none than I sore feare me , shall be likely to fall to you . (MROPER-E1-P1,515.9) For I assure you Father , I haue receyued a letter of late from my sister Alington , by which I see well that if ye chaunge not your mynde , you are likely to lose all those frendes that are hable to do you any good . (MROPER-E1-P1,515.10) Or if ye leese not their good willes , ye shall at the lest wise lese the effect therof , for any good that they shall be hable to doe you . (MROPER-E1-P1,515.11) ' With this my father smiled vpon me (MROPER-E1-P1,515.12) and saide : ' What , maistres Eue , as I called you when you came first hath my doughter Alington played the serpent with you , and with a letter set you a worke to come tempt your father again , and for the fauour that you beare hym labour to make hym sweare against his conscience , and so sende hym to the deuill ? ' (MROPER-E1-P1,515.13) And after that , he loked sadly againe , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.14) and earnestli said vnto me , ' Doughter Margaret , we two haue talked of this thinge ofter than twise or thrise , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.15) and that same tale in effect , that you tel me now therin , and the same feare to , haue you twise tolde me before , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.16) and I haue twise answered you too , that in this matter if it were possible for me to doe the thinge that might content the Kynges Grace , and God therwith not offended , there hath no man taken this oth all redy more gladly than I wolde doe : as he that rekeneth hym self more depely bounden vnto the Kinges Highnes for his most singular bountie , many waies shewed and declared , than any of them all beside . (MROPER-E1-P1,516.17) But sith standinge my conscience , I can in no wise doe it , and that for the instruction of my conscience in the matter , I haue not sleightly loked , but by many yeres studied and aduisedly considered , and neuer could yet see nor heare that thing , nor I thinke I neuer shall , that coulde induce mine owne minde to thinke otherwise than I doe , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.18) I haue no maner remedy , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.19) but God hath geuen me to the straight , that either I must dedlie displease hym , or abide any worldly harme that he shall for mine other sinnes , vnder name of this thinge , suffer to fall vpon me . Wherof as I before this haue told you to I haue ere I came here , not left vnbethought nor vnconsidered , the very worst and the vttermost that can by possibilite fall . (MROPER-E1-P1,516.20) And al be it that I know mine owne frailtie full well and the naturall faintnes of mine owne hart , yet if I had not trusted that God shoulde geue me strength rather to endure all thinges , than offend hym by sweringe vngodly against mine owne conscience , you may be very sure I wold not haue come here . (MROPER-E1-P1,516.21) And sith I looke in this matter but only vnto God , it maketh me litle matter , though men cal it as it pleaseth them and say it is no consciens but a foolishe scruple . ' (MROPER-E1-P1,516.22) At this worde I toke a good occasion , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.23) and said vnto hym thus : (MROPER-E1-P1,516.24) ' In good faith Father for my parte , I neither doe , nor it $can $not {TEXT:cannot} become me , either-1 to mistrust your good minde or your learninge . (MROPER-E1-P1,516.25) But because you speake of that that some cal it but a scruple , I assure you you shall see my sisters letter , that one of the greatest estates in this realme and a man learned too , and as I dare say your self shall thinke whan you know hym , and as you haue al ready right effectuallie proued hym your tender frende and very speciall good lord , accounteth your conscience in this matter , for a right simple scruple , (MROPER-E1-P1,516.26) and you may be sure he saith it of good minde and layeth no litle cause . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.27) For he saith that where you say your conscience moueth you to this , all the nobles of this realme and almost all other men too , go boldly $furth with the contrary , and sticke not therat , saue only your self and one other man : whom though he be right good and very well learned too , yet wolde I wene , fewe that loue you , geue you the counsaile against all other men to lene to his minde alone . ' (MROPER-E1-P1,517.28) And with this worde I toke hym your letter , that he might see my wordes wer not fayned , but spoken of his mought , whom he much loueth and estemeth highly . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.29) Therupon he read ouer your letter . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.30) And when he came to the ende , he began it afresh (MROPER-E1-P1,517.31) and read it ouer again . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.32) And in the reading he made no maner hast , (MROPER-E1-P1,517.33) but aduised it laisorly (MROPER-E1-P1,517.34) and poynted euery word . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.35) And after that he paused , (MROPER-E1-P1,517.36) and than thus he said : ' Forsoth , doughter Margaret , I find my doughter Alington such as I haue euer founde her , and I trust euer shall , as naturally mindinge me as you that are mine owne . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.37) How be it , her take I verely for mine owne too , sith I haue maried her mother , and brought vp her of a child as I haue brought vp you , in other thinges and learninge both , wherin I thanke God she findeth now some fruite , and bringeth her owne vp very vertuously and well . Wherof God , I thanke hym , hath sent her good store , (MROPER-E1-P1,517.38) our Lord preserue them (MROPER-E1-P1,517.39) and send her much ioy of them and my good sonne her gentle husbande too , (MROPER-E1-P1,517.40) and haue mercy on the soule of mine other good sonne her first ; (MROPER-E1-P1,517.41) I am dayly bedeman and so write her for them all . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.42) In this matter she hath vsed her self lyke her self , wisely and lyke a very doughter towarde me , (MROPER-E1-P1,517.43) and in the ende of her letter , geueth as good counsell as any man that witt hath wolde wish , (MROPER-E1-P1,517.44) God giue me grace to folow it (MROPER-E1-P1,517.45) and God rewarde her for it . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.46) Now doughter Margaret , as for my Lorde , I not only thinke , but haue also founde it , that he is vndoutly my singuler good lorde . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.47) And in myne other busines concerninge the sely nunne , as my cause was good and clere , so was he my good lorde therin , and Master Secretary my good master too . For which I shall neuer cease to be faithfull bedeman for them both (MROPER-E1-P1,517.48) and dayly do I by my trueth , praye for them as I doe for my selfe . (MROPER-E1-P1,517.49) And when so euer it shulde happen which I trust in God shall neuer happen that I be founde other than a true man to my prince , let them neuer fauour me neither of them both , (MROPER-E1-P1,518.50) nor of trouth no more it coulde become them to do . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.51) But in this matter , Megge , to tell the trouth betwene the and me , my lords Esops fables do not greatly moue me . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.52) But as his wisdome for his pastime tolde them meryly to mine owne doughter , so shall I for my pastime , answer them to the , Megge , that art mine other doughter . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.53) The first fable of the raine that washte away all their wittes that stode abrode when it fell , I haue herde oft or this : (MROPER-E1-P1,518.54) It was a tale so often tolde amonge the Kinges Counsaile by my Lorde Cardinall whan his Grace was chauncellor , that I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} lightlye forgett it . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.55) For of trouth in tymes past when variance began to fall betwene the Emperour and the French Kynge , in such wise that they were likely and dyd in dede , fall to gither att warre , and that ther were in the Counsaile here somtime sondry opinions , in which some were of the minde , that they thought it wisdome , that we shoulde sitt still and let them alone : (MROPER-E1-P1,518.56) but euermore against that way , my Lorde vsed this fable of those wise men , that because they wolde not be wasshed with the raine that shoulde make all the people fooles , went them self in to caues , and hyd them vndre the grounde . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.57) But when the raine had once made all the remenaunt fooles and that they come out of their caues and wolde vtter their wisdome , the fooles agreed together against them , and ther all to bete them . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.58) And so said his Grace that if we wolde be so wise that we wolde sit in pece while the fooles fought , they wolde not fayle after , to make peace and agree and fall at lenght all vpon vs . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.59) I wil not dispute vpon his Graces counsaile , (MROPER-E1-P1,518.60) and I trust we neuer made warre but as reason wolde . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.61) But yet this fable for his parte , did in his daies helpe the Kynge and the realme to spende many a faire peny . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.62) But that geare is passed (MROPER-E1-P1,518.63) and his Grace is gone , (MROPER-E1-P1,518.64) our Lord assoyle his soule . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.65) And therfor shal I now come to this Esops fable , as my Lorde full merily laide it forth for me . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.66) If those wismen , Megge , when the raine was gone at their cominge abrode , where they founde all men fooles , wished them selues fooles to , because they coulde not rule them , than semeth it , that the folish raine was so sore a showre , that euen thorowe the grounde it sanke into their caues , and powred downe vpon their heades , and wette them to the skynne , and made them more nodies than them that stode abrode . (MROPER-E1-P1,518.67) For if they had had any witt , they might well see , that thoughe they had ben fooles too , that thinge wolde not haue suffised to make them the rulers ouer the other fooles , no more than {COM:to_make} the tother fooles {COM:rulers} ouer them : (MROPER-E1-P1,519.69) and of so manye fooles all might not be rulers . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.70) Now when they longed so sore to bere a rule amonge fooles , that $so $they {TEXT:so_they_they_so} might , they wolde be glad to lese their witt and be fooles too , the foolish raine had washed them metely well . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.71) How be it , to say the trought , before the raine came , if they thought that all the remenaunt shoulde turne in to fooles , and than either-1 were so folish that they wolde , or so mad to thinke that they shoulde , so fewe rule so many fooles , and had not so much witt as to considre , that there are none so vnruly as they that lacke witte and are foles , than were these wyse men starke foles before the rayne came . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.72) How be it doughter Roper , whome my Lorde taketh here for the wyse men and whome he meaneth to be fooles , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} very well geaste , (MROPER-E1-P1,519.73) I can not well reade such riddles . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.74) For as Dauus saith in Terence Non sum Oedipus I may say you wot well Non sum Oedipus , sed Morus which name of mine what it signifieth in Greke , I nede not tel you . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.75) But I trust my Lorde rekeneth me amonge the foles , (MROPER-E1-P1,519.76) and so reken I my selfe , as my name is in Greke . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.77) And I finde , I thanke God , causes not a fewe , wherfore I so shoulde in very dede . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.78) But surely amonge those that longe to be rulers , God and mine owne conscience clerely knoweth , that no man may truely noumber and recken me . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.79) And I wene ech other mans conscience can tell hym selfe the same , sins it is so well knowen , that of the Kynges great goodnes , I was one of the greatest rulers in this noble realme and that at mine owne great labour by his great goodnes discharged . (MROPER-E1-P1,519.80) But whome soeuer my Lorde meaneth for the wyse men , and whomsoeuer his Lordeship take for the fooles , and whosoeuer {TEXT:who[m]soeuer} longe for the rule , and who so euer longe for none , I besech our Lorde make vs all so wyse as that we may euery man here so wiselie rule our selfe in this time of teares , this vale of mysery , this simple wretched worlde in which as Boece saith , one man to be prowde that he beareth rule ouer other men , is much lyke as one mouce wolde be prowde to beare a rule ouer other myce in a barne God , I say , geue vs the grace so wisely to rule our self here , that when we shall hence in hast to mete the great Spouse , we be not taken sleapers and for lacke of light in our lampes , shit {COM:sic} out of heauen amonge the v. folish vyrgins . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.81) The second fable , Marget , semeth not to be Esopes . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.82) For by that the matter goeth all vpon confession , it semeth to be fayned since Christendome began . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.83) For in Grece before Christes daies they vsed not confession , no more the men than , than the beastes nowe . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.84) And Esope was a Greke , (MROPER-E1-P1,520.85) and died longe ere Christ was borne . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.86) But what ? (MROPER-E1-P1,520.87) who made it , maketh litle matter . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.88) Nor I enuy not that Esope hath the name . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.89) But surely it is somwhat to subtil for me . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.90) For wham hys Lordship vnderstandeth by the lyon and the wolfe , which both twaine confessed them selfe , of rauin and deuowringe of all that came to their handes , and the tone enlarged his conscience at his pleasure in the construction of his penaunce , nor whom by the good discrete confessor that enioyned the tone a litle penaunce , and the tother none at all , and sent the pore asse to the bishoppe , of all these thinges can I nothinge tell . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.91) But by the folish scrupelous asse , that had so sore a conscience , for the taking of a strawe for hungar out of his maisters shoo , my Lordes other wordes of my scruple declare , that his Lordship meryly meant that by me : signifieng as it semeth by that similitude that of ouersight and folye , my scrupulous conscience taketh for a great perilous thing towarde my soule , if I shoulde swere this othe , which thinge as his Lordship thinketh , wer in dede but a trifle . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.92) And I suppose well , Margarett , as you tolde me right now , that so thinketh many moo beside , as well spirituall as temporall , (MROPER-E1-P1,520.93) and that euen of those , that for their learning and their vertue my self not a lytle esteme . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.94) And yet all be it that I suppose this to be true , yet beleue I not euen very surely , that euery man so thinketh that so saieth . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.95) But though they did , Daughter , that wolde not make much to me , not though I shoulde see my Lorde of Rochester say the same , and swere the oth hymselfe before me too . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.96) For where as you tolde me right now , that such as loue me , wolde not aduise me , that against all other men , I shoulde lene vnto his mind alone , veryly , Daughter , no more I doe . (MROPER-E1-P1,520.97) For albeit , that of very trouth , I haue hym in that reuerent estimacion , that I reken in this realme no one man , in wisdome , learning and long approued vertue together , mete to be matched and compared with hym , yet that in this matter I was not led by hym , very well and plainly appereth , both in that I refused the othe before it was offered him , and in that also that his Lordship was content to haue sworne of that othe as I perceyued since by you when you moued me to the same either somwhat more , or in some other maner than euer I minded to doe . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.98) Verely , Daughter , I neuer entend God being my good lorde to pynne my soule at a nother mans backe , not euen the best man that I know this day liuing ; (MROPER-E1-P1,521.99) for I knowe not whither he may happe to cary it . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.100) Ther is no man liuing , of whom while he liueth , I may make myself sure . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.101) Some may do for fauour , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.102) and some may doe for feare , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.103) and so might they carye my soule a wronge way . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.104) And some might hap to frame him self a conscience and thinke that while he did it for feare God wolde forgeue it . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.105) And some may peraduenture thinke that they will repent , and be shryuen therof , and that so God shall remitt it them . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.106) And some may be peraduenture of that minde , that if they say one thing and thinke the while the contrary , God more regardeth their harte than their tonge , and that therfore their othe goeth vpon that they thinke , and not vpon that they say , as a woman resoned once , I trow , Daughter , you wer by . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.107) But in good faith , Marget , I can vse no such waies in so great a matter : (MROPER-E1-P1,521.108) but like as if mine owne conscience serued me , I wolde not lett to doe it , though other men refused , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.109) so though other refuse it not , I dare not do it , mine owne conscience standing against it . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.110) If I had as I tolde you looked but lightly for the matter , I shoulde haue cause to feare . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.111) But nowe haue I so loked for it and so longe , that I purpose at the lestwyse to haue no lesse regarde vnto my soule , than had once a poore honest man of the countrey that was called Company . ' (MROPER-E1-P1,521.112) And with this , he tolde me a tale , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.113) I wene I can skant tell it you againe , because it hangeth vpon some tearmes and ceremonies of the law . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.114) But as farre as I can call to mynde my fathers tale was this , that ther is a court belonginge of course vnto euery faire , to doe iustice in such thinges as happen within the same . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.115) This court hath a pretie fond name , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.116) but I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} happen vpon it , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.117) but it beginneth with a pye , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.118) and the remenaunt goeth much lyke the name of a knight that I haue knowen , I wis , and I trowe you to , for he hath ben at my fathers ofte or this , at such tyme as you wer there , a metely tall blacke man , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.119) his name was Sir William Pounder . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.120) But , tut , let the name of the courte go for this once , (MROPER-E1-P1,521.121) or call it if ye will a court of pye Sir William Pounder . (MROPER-E1-P1,521.122) But this was the matter loe , that vpon a tyme at such a court holden at Bartilmewe fayre , there was an eschetour of London that had arested a man that was owtelawed , and had seased his goodes that he had browte in to the fayre , tollinge hym out of the fayre by a traine . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.123) The man that was arested and his goodes seased was a northern man , which by his frendes made theschetour within the fayre to be arested vpon an action , I woot nere what , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.124) and so was he brought before the iudge of the court of pye Sir William Pounder , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.125) and at the last the matter came to a certaine ceremonye to be tryed by a quest of xii men , a iury as I remembre they call it , or elles a periury . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.126) Now had the clothman by frendshipp of the offycers , founden the means to haue all the quest almost , made of the northern men , such as had their boothes there standing in the fayre . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.127) Now was it come to the last daye in the after none , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.128) and the xii men had hard both the parties , and their counsell tell their tales at the barre , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.129) and were fro the barre had in to a place , to talke and common , and agre vpon their sentence . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.130) Nay let me speke better in my termes yet , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.131) I trow the iudge geueth the sentence and the quests tale is called a verdit . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.132) They wer skant come in together , but the northern men wer agreed , and in effect all the other too , to cast our London eschetour . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.133) They thought they neded no more to proue that he did wronge , than euen the name of his bare office alone . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.134) But than was ther then as the deuyll wolde , this honest man of a nother quarter , that was called Cumpany . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.135) And because the felowe semed but a foule and sate still and said nothinge , they made no rekeninge of hym , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.136) but said , we be agreed now , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.137) come let vs goo geue our verdit . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.138) Than whan the pore felowe saw that they made such hast , and his minde nothing gaue hym that way that theirs did , if their mindes gaue them that way that they sayde he prayde them to tary and talke vpon the matter and tell hym such reason therin , that he might thinke as they did : (MROPER-E1-P1,522.139) and when he so shoulde do , he wolde be glad to say with them , (MROPER-E1-P1,522.140) or els he said they must pardone hym . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.141) For sith he had a soule of his owne to kepe as they had , he must say as he thought for his , as they must for theirs . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.142) Whan they herd this , they wer half angry with hym . (MROPER-E1-P1,522.143) ' What good felowe ' quod one of the northern men ' where wonnes thou ? (MROPER-E1-P1,523.144) Be not we aleuen here and you but ene la alene , and all we agreed ? (MROPER-E1-P1,523.145) Wherto shouldest you sticke ? (MROPER-E1-P1,523.146) What is thy name gude felow ? ' (MROPER-E1-P1,523.147) ' Maisters ' quod he ' my name is called Cumpany . ' (MROPER-E1-P1,523.148) ' Cumpany , ' quod they , (MROPER-E1-P1,523.149) ' now by thy trouth good felow , playe than the gude companion , (MROPER-E1-P1,523.150) come theron furth with vs (MROPER-E1-P1,523.151) and passe euen for gude cumpany . ' (MROPER-E1-P1,523.152) ' Wold God , good maisters , ' quod the man againe , ' that ther lay no more weight therby . (MROPER-E1-P1,523.153) But now when we shall hence and come before God , and that he shall sende you to heauen for doing according to your conscience , and me to the deuill for doing against mine , in passing at your request here for good cumpany nowe , by God , Maister Dykonson , that was one of the northern mens name if I shall then say to all you again , maisters , I went once for good cumpany with you , which is the cause that I go now to hell , (MROPER-E1-P1,523.154) playe you the good felowes now again with me , (MROPER-E1-P1,523.155) as I went than for good cumpany with you , so some of you go now for good cumpany with me . (MROPER-E1-P1,523.156) Wolde ye go , Maister Dikonson ? (MROPER-E1-P1,523.157) Nay naye by our Lady , nor neuer one of you all . (MROPER-E1-P1,523.158) And therfore must ye pardon me from passinge as you passe , (MROPER-E1-P1,523.159) but if I thought in the matter as you doe , I dare not in such a matter passe for good cumpany . (MROPER-E1-P1,523.160) For the passage of my pore soule passeth all good cumpany . (MROPER-E1-P1,523.161)