<P_11R>

{COM:p._46_in_reprint}

Therfore , if to the goodnes of nature , be ioyned the wisedome of the
teacher , in leading yong wittes into a right and plaine waie of
learnyng , surelie , children , kept vp in Gods feare , and gouerned by
his grace , maie most easelie be brought well to serue God , and
contrey both-1 by vertue and wisedome . (ASCH-E1-P2,11R.3)

But if will , and witte , by farder age , be once allured from
innocencie , delited in vaine fightes , $filled with foull taulke ,
crooked with wilfulnesse , hardned with stubburnesse , and let louse to
disobedience , surelie it is hard with ientlenesse , but vnpossible
with seuere crueltie , to call them backe to good frame againe .
(ASCH-E1-P2,11R.4)

For , where the one , perchance maie bend it , the other shall surelie
breake it : and so in stead of some hope , <P_11V> leaue an assured
desperation , and shamelesse contempt of all goodnesse , the fardest
pointe in all mischief , as <font> Xenophon </font> doth most trewlie
and most wittelie marke . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.5)

Therfore , to loue or to hate , to like or contemne , to plie this waie
or that waie to good or to bad , ye shall haue as ye vse a child in his
youth . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.6)

And one example , whether loue or feare doth worke more in a child ,
for vertue and learning , I will gladlie report : which maie be $heard
with some pleasure , and folowed with more profit . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.7)

Before I went into <font> Germanie </font> , I came to Brodegate in
$Leicestershire , to take my leaue of that noble Ladie <font> Iane Grey
</font> , to whom I was exceding moch beholdinge . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.8)

Hir parentes , the Duke and Duches , with all the
{COM:p._47_in_reprint} houshold , Gentlemen and Gentlewomen , were
huntinge in the Parke : (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.9)

I founde her , in her Chamber , readinge <font> Phaedon Platonis
</font> in Greeke , and that with as moch delite , as four ientlemen
wold read a merie tale in <font> Bocase </font> . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.10)

After salutation , and dewtie done , with som other taulke , I asked
hir , whie she wold leese soch pastime in the Parke ?
(ASCH-E1-P2,11V.11)

smiling she answered me : I wisse , all their sporte in the Parke is
but a shadoe to that pleasure , that I find in <font> Plato </font> :
(ASCH-E1-P2,11V.12)

Alas good folke , (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.13)

they neuer felt , what trewe pleasure ment . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.14)

And howe came you Madame , quoth I , to this deepe knowledge of
pleasure , (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.15)

and what did chieflie allure you vnto it : seinge , not many women ,
but verie fewe men haue atteined thereunto . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.16)

I will tell you , quoth she , and tell you a troth , which perchance ye
will meruell at . (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.17)

One of the greatest benefites , that euer God gaue me , is , that he
sent me so sharpe and seuere Parentes , and so ientle a scholemaster .
(ASCH-E1-P2,11V.18)

For when I am in presence either-1 of father or mother , whether I
speake , kepe silence , sit , stand , or go , eate , drinke , be merie
, or sad , be sowyng , plaiyng , dauncing , or doing anie thing els , I
must do it , as it were , in soch weight , mesure , and number , euen
so perfitelie , as God made the world , (ASCH-E1-P2,11V.19)

or else I am so sharplie taunted , so cruellie threatened , yea
presentlie some tymes , with pinches , nippes , and bobbes , and other
waies , <P_12R> which I will not name , for the honor I beare them , so
without measure misordered , that I thinke my selfe in hell , till tyme
cum , that I must go to <font> M. Elmer </font> , who teacheth me so
ientlie , so pleasantlie , with soch faire allurementes to learning ,
that I thinke all the tyme nothing , whiles I am with him .
(ASCH-E1-P2,12R.20)

And when I am called from him , I fall on weeping , because , what
soeuer I do els , but learning , is ful of grief , trouble , feare ,
and whole misliking vnto me : (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.21)

And thus my booke , hath bene so moch my pleasure , and bringeth dayly
to me more pleasure and more , that in respect of it , all other
pleasures , in very deede , be but trifles and troubles vnto me .
(ASCH-E1-P2,12R.22)

I remember this talke gladly , both bicause it is so worthy
{COM:p._48_in_reprint} of memorie , and bicause also , it was the last
talke that euer I had , and the last tyme , that euer I saw that noble
and worthie Ladie . (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.23)

I could be ouer long , both in shewinge iust causes , and in recitinge
trewe examples , why learning shold be taught , rather by loue than
feare . (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.24)

He that wold see a perfite discourse of it , let him read that learned
treatese , which my frende <font> Ioan. Sturmius </font> wrote <font>
de institutione Principis </font> , to the Duke of <font> Cleues
</font> . (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.25)

The godlie counsels of <font> Salomon </font> and <font> Iesus </font>
the sonne of <font> Sirach </font> , for sharpe kepinge in , and
bridleinge of youth , are ment rather , for fatherlie correction , then
masterlie beating , rather for maners , than for learninge : for other
places , than for scholes . (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.26)

For God forbid , but all euill touches , wantonnes , lyinge , pickinge
, slouthe , will , stubburnnesse , and disobedience , shold be with
sharpe chastisement , daily cut away . (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.27)

This discipline was well knowen , and diligentlie vsed , among the
<font> Graecians </font> , and old <font> Romanes </font> , as doth
appeare in <font> Aristophanes , Isocrates </font> , and <font> Plato
</font> , and also in the Comedies of <font> Plautus </font> : where we
see that children were vnder the rule of three persones : <font>
Praeceptore , Paedagogo , Parente </font> : (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.28)

the scholemaster taught him learnyng $with $all {TEXT:withall}
ientlenes : (ASCH-E1-P2,12R.29)

the Gouernour corrected his maners , with moch sharpenesse :
(ASCH-E1-P2,12R.30)

The father , held the sterne of his whole obedience :
(ASCH-E1-P2,12R.31)

And so , he that vsed to teache , did not commonlie vse to beate ,
(ASCH-E1-P2,12R.32)

<P_12V>

but remitted that ouer to an other mans charge . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.34)

But what shall we saie , when now in our dayes , the scholemaster is
vsed , both-2 for <font> Praeceptor </font> in learnyng , and <font>
Paedagogus </font> in maners . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.35)

Surelie , I wold he shold not confound their offices , but discretelie
vse the dewtie of both so , that neither ill touches shold be left
vnpunished , nor $ientlenesse in teaching anie wise omitted .
(ASCH-E1-P2,12V.36)

And he shall well do both , if wiselie he do appointe diuersitie of
tyme , and separate place , for either purpose : vsing
{COM:p._49_in_reprint} alwaise soch discrete moderation , as the
scholehouse should be counted a sanctuarie against feare : and verie
well learning , a common perdon for ill doing , if the fault , of it
selfe be not ouer heinous . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.37)

And thus the children , kept vp in Gods feare , and preserued by his
grace , finding paine in ill doing , and pleasure in well studiyng ,
shold easelie be brought to honestie of life , and perfitenes of
learning , the onelie marke , that good and wise fathers do wishe and
labour , that their children , shold most buselie , and carefullie shot
at . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.38)

There is an other discommoditie , besides crueltie in scholemasters in
beating away the loue of learning from children , which hindreth
learning and vertue , and good bringing vp of youth , and namelie yong
ientlemen , verie moch in England . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.39)

This fault is cleane contrary to the first . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.40)

I wished before , to haue loue of learning bred vp in children :
(ASCH-E1-P2,12V.41)

I wishe as moch now , to haue yong men brought vp in good order of
liuing , and in some more seuere discipline , then commonlie they be .
(ASCH-E1-P2,12V.42)

We haue lacke in England of soch good order , as the old noble <font>
Persians </font> so carefullie vsed whose children , to the age of xxi.
yeare , were brought vp in learnyng , and exercises of labor , and that
in soch place , where they should , neither see that was vncumlie , nor
heare that was vnhonest . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.43)

Yea , a yong ientlemen was neuer free , to go where he would , and do
what he liste him self , but under the kepe , and by the counsell , of
sume graue gouernour , vntill he was , either maryed , or called to
beare some office in the common wealth . (ASCH-E1-P2,12V.44)

<P_13R>

And see the great obedience , that was vsed in old tyme to fathers and
gouernours . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.46)

No sonne , were he neuer so old of yeares , neuer so great of birth ,
though he were a kynges sonne , might not mary , {COM:might_marry} but
by his father and mothers also consent . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.47)

<font> Cyrus </font> the great , after he had conquered <font> Babylon
</font> , and subdewed {COM:p._in_reprint} Riche king <font> Croesus
</font> with whole <font> Asia minor </font> , cummyng tryumphantlie
home , his vncle <font> Cyaxeris </font> offered him his daughter to
wife . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.48)

<font> Cyrus </font> thanked his vncle , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.49)

and praised the maide , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.50)

but for mariage he answered him with thies wise and sweete wordes , as
they be vttered by <font> Xenophon </font> , {COM:greek_omitted} &c. ,
(ASCH-E1-P2,13R.51)

that is to say : Vncle <font> Cyaxeris </font> , I commend the stocke ,
(ASCH-E1-P2,13R.52)

I like the maide , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.53)

and I allow well the dowrie , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.54)

but <paren> sayth he </paren> by the counsell and consent of my father
and mother , I will determine farther of thies matters .
(ASCH-E1-P2,13R.55)

Strong <font> Samson </font> also in Scripture saw a maide that liked
him , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.56)

but he spake not to hir , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.57)

but went home to his father , and his mother , (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.58)

and desired both father and mother to make the mariage for him .
(ASCH-E1-P2,13R.59)

Doth this modestie , doth this obedience , that was in great kyng
<font> Cyrus </font> , and stoute <font> Samson </font> , remaine in
our yongmen at this daie ? (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.60)

no surelie : (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.61)

For we liue not longer after them by tyme , than we liue farre
different from them by good order . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.62)

Our tyme is so farre from that old discipline and obedience , as now ,
not onelie yong ientlemen , but euen verie girles dare without all
feare , though not without open shame , where they list , and how they
list , marie them selues in spite of father , mother , God , good order
, and all . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.63)

The cause of this euill is , that youth is least looked unto , when
they stand most neede of good kepe and regard . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.64)

It auaileth not , to see them well taught in yong yeares , and after
whan they cum to lust and youthfull dayes , to giue them licence to
liue as they lust them selues . (ASCH-E1-P2,13R.65)

For , if ye suffer the eye of a yong Ientleman , once to be entangled
with vaine fightes , and the eare to be corrupted with fond or filthie
taulke , the mynde shall quicklie fall seick , and sone <P_13V> vomet
and cast vp , all the holesome doctrine , that he receiued in
childhoode , though he were neuer so well brought vp before .
(ASCH-E1-P2,13V.66)

And being ons {COM:once} inglutted with vanitie , he will streight
{COM:p._51_in_reprint} way loth all learning , and all good counsell to
the same . (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.67)

And the parentes for all their great cost and charge , reape onelie in
the end , the $fruite of grief and care . (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.68)

This euill , is not common to poore men , as God will haue it , but
proper to riche and great mens children , as they deserue it .
(ASCH-E1-P2,13V.69)

In deede from seuen , to seuentene , yong ientlemen commonlie be
carefullie enough brought vp : (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.70)

But from seuentene to seuen and twentie <paren> the most dangerous tyme
of all a mans life , and most slipperie to stay well in </paren> they
haue commonlie the reigne of all licens in their owne hand , and
speciallie soch as do liue in the Court . (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.71)

And that which is most to be merueled at , commonlie , the wisest and
also best men , be found the fondest fathers in this behalfe .
(ASCH-E1-P2,13V.72)

And if som good father wold seick some remedie herein , yet the mother
<paren> if the house hold of our Lady </paren> had rather , yea , and
will to , haue her sonne cunnyng and bold , in making him to lyue
trimlie when he is yong , than by learning and trauell , to be able to
serue his Prince and his contrie , both wiselie in peace , and
stoutelie in warre , whan he is old . (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.73)

The fault is in your selues , ye noble $mens sonnes ,
(ASCH-E1-P2,13V.74)

and therefore ye deserue the greater blame , that commonlie , the
meaner mens children , cum to be , the wisest councellours , and
greatest doers , in the weightie affaires of this Realme .
(ASCH-E1-P2,13V.75)

And why ? (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.76)

for God will haue it so , of his prouidence : bicause ye will haue it
no otherwise , by your negligence . (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.77)

And God is a good God , and wisest in all his doinges , that will place
vertue , and displace vice , in those kingdomes , where he doth gouerne
. (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.78)

For he knoweth , that Nobilitie , without vertue and wisedome , is
bloud in deede , but bloud trewelie , without bones and sinewes : and
so of it selfe , without the other , verie weeke to beare the burden of
weightie affaires . (ASCH-E1-P2,13V.79)

{COM:p._52_in_reprint} The greatest shippe in deede commonlie carieth
the greatest burden , but yet alwayes with the greatest ieoperdie
<P_14R> , not onelie for the persons and goodes committed vnto it , but
euen for the shyppe it selfe , except it be gouerned , with the greater
wisdome . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.80)

But Nobilitie , gouerned by learning and wisedome , is in deede , most
like a faire shippe , hauyng tide and winde at will , vnder the reule
of a skilfull master : whan contrarie wise , a shippe , carried , yea
with the hiest tide and greatest winde , lacking a skilfull master ,
most commonlie , doth either , sinck it selfe vpon sandes , or breake
it selfe vpon rockes . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.81)

And even so , how manie haue bene , either drowned in vaine pleasure ,
or ouerwhelmed by stout wilfulnesse , the histories of England be able
to affourde ouer many examples vnto vs . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.82)

Therfore , ye great and noble mens children , if ye will haue
rightfullie that praise , and enioie surelie that place , which your
fathers haue , and elders had , and left vnto you , ye must kepe it ,
as they gat it , (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.83)

and that is , by the onelie waie , of vertue , wisedome and worthinesse
. (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.84)

For wisedom , and vertue , there be manie faire examples in this Court
, for yong Ientlemen to follow . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.85)

But they be , like faire markes in the feild , out of a mans reach , to
far of , to shote at well . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.86)

The best and worthiest men , in deede , be somtimes seen , but seldom
taulked withall : (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.87)

A yong Ientleman , may somtime knele to their person ; smallie vse
their companie , for their better instruction . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.88)

But yong Ientlemen are faine commonlie to do in the Court , as yong
Archers do in the feild : (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.89)

that is to take soch markes , as be nie them , although they be neuer
so foule to shote at . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.90)

I meene , they be driuen to kepe companie with the worste :
(ASCH-E1-P2,14R.91)

and what force ill companie hath , to corrupt good wittes , the wisest
men know best . (ASCH-E1-P2,14R.92)

{COM:p._53_in_reprint} And not ill companie onelie , but the ill
opinion also of the most part , doth moch harme , and namelie of those
, which shold be wise in the trewe decyphring , of the good disposition
of nature , of cumlinesse in Courtlie maners , and all right <P_14V>
doinges of men . (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.93)

But error and phantasie , do commonlie occupie , the place of troth and
iudgement . (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.94)

For , if a yong ientleman , be demeure and still of nature , they say ,
he is simple and lacketh witte : (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.95)

if he be bashefull , and will soone blushe , they call him a babishe
and ill brought vp thyng , when <font> Xenophon </font> doth preciselie
note in <font> Cyrus </font> , that his bashfulnes in youth , was ye
verie trewe signe of his vertue and stoutnes after :
(ASCH-E1-P2,14V.96)

If he be innocent and ignorant of ill , they say , he is rude , and
hath no grace , (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.97)

so vngraciouslie do som gracelesse men , misuse the faire and godlie
word grace . (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.98)

But if ye would know , what grace they meene , go , (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.99)

and looke , (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.100)

and learne emonges them , (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.101)

and ye shall see that it is : First , to blush at nothing .
(ASCH-E1-P2,14V.102)

And blushyng in youth , sayth <font> Aristotle </font> is nothyng els ,
but feare to do ill : which feare beyng once lustely fraid away from
youth , then foloweth , to dare do any mischief , to contemne stoutly
any goodnesse , to be busie in euery matter , to be skilfull in euery
thyng , to acknowledge no ignorance at all . (ASCH-E1-P2,14V.103)

To do thus in Court , is counted of some , the chief and greatest grace
of all : and termed by the name of a vertue , called Corage and
boldnesse , whan <font> Crassus </font> in <font> Cicero </font>
teacheth the cleane contrarie , and that most wittelie , saying thus :
<font> Audere , cum bonis etiam rebus coniunctum , per seipsum est
magnopere fugiendum . </font> Which is to say , to be bold , yea in a
good matter , is for it self , greatlie to be exchewed {COM:sic} .
(ASCH-E1-P2,14V.104)

Moreouer , where the swing goeth , there to follow , fawne , flatter ,
laugh and lie lustelie at other mens liking . To face , stand formest ,
shoue backe : and to the meaner man , or vnknowne in the
{COM:p._54_in_reprint} Court , to seeme somwhat solume , coye , big ,
and dangerous of looke , taulk , and answere : To thinke well of him
selfe , to be lustie in contemning of others , to haue some trim grace
in a priuie mock . And in greater presens , to beare a braue looke : to
be warlike , though he neuer looked enimie in the face in warre :
(ASCH-E1-P2,14V.105)

yet som warlike signe must , be vsed , either a slouinglie busking , or
an ouerstaring frounced hed , as though out of euerie heeres toppe ,
should suddenlie <P_15R> start out a good big othe , when nede
requireth . (ASCH-E1-P2,15R.106)

Yet praised be God , England hath at this time , manie worthie
Capitaines and good souldiours , which be in deede , so honest of
behaviour , so cumlie of conditions , so milde of maners , as they may
be examples of good order , to a good sort of others , which neuer came
in warre . (ASCH-E1-P2,15R.107)

But to retorne , where I left : In place also , to be able to raise
taulke , and make discourse of euerie rishe {COM:sic} : to haue a verie
good will , to heare him selfe speake : To be seene in Palmestrie ,
wherby to conueie to chast eares , som fond or filthie taulke :
(ASCH-E1-P2,15R.108)

And , if som Smithfeild Ruffian take vp , som strange going : som new
mowing with the mouth : som wrinchyng with the shoulder , som braue
prouerbe : som fresh new othe , that is not stale , but will rin
{COM:run} round in the mouth : som new disguised garment , or desperate
hat , fond in facion , or gaurish in colour , what soeuer it cost , how
small soeuer his living be , by what shift soeuer it be gotten , gotten
must it be , and vsed with the first , (ASCH-E1-P2,15R.109)

or els the grace of it , is stale and gone : (ASCH-E1-P2,15R.110)

som part of this gracelesse grace , was discribed by me , in a little
rude verse long ago . (ASCH-E1-P2,15R.111)

{COM:verse_omitted}

Would to God , this taulke were not trewe , and that
{COM:p._55_in_reprint} som mens doinges were not thus ;
(ASCH-E1-P2,15R.113)

I write not to hurte any , but to proffit som : to accuse none , but to
monish soch who , allured by ill counsell , and folowing ill example ,
contrarie to their good bringyng vp , and against their owne good
nature , yeld ouermoch to thies folies and faultes :
(ASCH-E1-P2,15R.114)

I know many seruing men , of good order , and well staide :
(ASCH-E1-P2,15R.115)

And againe , I heare saie , there be som seruing men <P_15V> do but ill
seruice to their yong masters . (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.116)

Yea , rede <font> Terence </font> and <font> Plautus </font> aduisedlie
ouer , (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.117)

and ye shall finde in those two wise writers , almost in euerie
commedie , no vnthriftie yong man , that is not brought there unto , by
the sotle inticement of som lewd seruant . (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.118)

And euen now in our dayes <font> Getae </font> and <font> Daui , Gnatos
</font> and manie bold bawdie <font> Phormios </font> to , be preasing
in , to pratle on euerie stage , to medle in euerie matter , whan
honest <font> Parmenos </font> shall not be hard , but beare small
swing with their masters . (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.119)

Their companie , their taulke , their ouer great experience in mischief
, doth easelie corrupt the best natures , and best brought vp wittes .
(ASCH-E1-P2,15V.120)

But I meruell the lesse , that thies misorders be emonges som in the
Court , (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.121)

for commonlie in the contrie also euerie where , innocencie is gone :
(ASCH-E1-P2,15V.122)

Bashfulnesse is banished : (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.123)

moch presumption in yougthe : (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.124)

small authoritie in aige : (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.125)

Reuerence is neglected : (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.126)

dewties be confounded : (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.127)

and to be shorte , disobedience doth ouerflowe the bankes of good order
, almoste in euerie place , almoste in euerie degree of man .
(ASCH-E1-P2,15V.128)

Meane men haue eies to see , and cause to lament , and occasion to
complaine of thies miseries : (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.129)

but other haue authoritie to remedie them , (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.130)

and will do so to , whan God shall think time fitte .
(ASCH-E1-P2,15V.131)

For , all thies misorders , be Goddes iuste plages , by his sufferance
, brought iustelie vpon vs , for our sinnes , which be infinite in
nomber , and horrible in deede , but namelie , for the
{COM:p._56_in_reprint} greate abhominable sin of vnkindnesse :
(ASCH-E1-P2,15V.132)

but what vnkindnesse ? (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.133)

euen such vnkindnesse as was in the Iewes , in contemninge Goddes voice
, in shrinking from his woorde , in wishing backe againe for <font>
AEgypt </font> , in committing aduoultrie and hordom , not with the
women , but , with the doctrine of Babylon , did bring all the plages ,
destructions , and Captiuities , that fell so ofte and horriblie , vpon
Israell . (ASCH-E1-P2,15V.134)

We haue cause also in England to beware of vnkindnesse , who haue had ,
in so fewe yeares , the Candel of Goddes worde , so oft lightned , so
oft put out , and yet will <P_16R> venture by our vnthankfulnesse in
doctrine and sinfull life , to leese againe , lighte , Candle ,
Candlesticke and all . (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.135)

God kepe vs in his feare , (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.136)

God grafte in vs the trewe knowledge of his woorde , with a forward
will to folowe it , and so to bring forth the sweete fruites of it ,
(ASCH-E1-P2,16R.137)

and then shall he preserue vs by his Grace , from all maner of terrible
dayes . (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.138)

The remedie of this , doth not stand onelie , in making good common
lawes for the hole Realme , but also , <paren> and perchance cheiflie
</paren> in obseruing priuate discipline euerie man carefullie in his
own house : (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.139)

and namelie , if speciall regard be had to yougth :
(ASCH-E1-P2,16R.140)

and that , not so much , in teaching them what is good , as in keping
them from that , that is ill . (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.141)

Therefore , if wise fathers , be not as well ware in weeding from their
Children ill thinges , and ill companie , as they were before , in
graftinge in them learninge , and prouiding for them good scholemasters
, what frute , they shall reape of all their coste and care , common
experience doth tell . (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.142)

Here is the place , in yougthe is the time whan som ignorance is as
necessarie , as moch knowledge : and not in matters of our dewtie
towardes God , as som wilful wittes willinglie against their owne
knowledge , perniciouslie againste {COM:p._57_in_reprint} their owne
conscience , haue of late openlie taught . (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.143)

In deede <font> S. Chrysostome , </font> that noble and eloquent Doctor
, in a sermon <font> contra fatum </font> , and the curious serchinge
of natiuities , doth wiselie saie , that ignorance therein , is better
than knowledge : (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.144)

But to wring this sentence , to wreste thereby out of mens handes , the
knowledge of Goddes doctrine , is without all reason , against common
sence , contrarie to the iudgement also of them , which be the
discretest men , and best learned , on their own side .
(ASCH-E1-P2,16R.145)

I know , <font> Iulianus Apostata </font> did so , (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.146)

but I neuer hard or red , that any auncyent father of the primitiue
chirch , either thought or wrote so . (ASCH-E1-P2,16R.147)

But this ignorance in yougthe , which I spake on , or rather this
simplicitie , or most trewlie , this innocencie , is that , which the
noble <font> Persians </font> , as wise <font> Xenophon </font> doth
testifie , <P_16V> were so carefull , to breede vp their yougth in .
(ASCH-E1-P2,16V.148)

But Christian fathers commonlie do not so . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.149)

And I will tell you a tale , as moch to be misliked , as the <font>
Persians </font> example is to be folowed . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.150)

This last somer , I was in a Ientlemans house : where a yong childe ,
somewhat past fower yeare olde , cold in no wise frame his tonge , to
saie , a litle shorte grace : (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.151)

and yet he could roundlie rap out , so manie vgle othes , and those of
the newest facion , as som good man of fourescore yeare olde hath neuer
hard named before : (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.152)

and that which was most detestable of all , his father and mother wold
laughe at it . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.153)

I moche doubte , what comforte , an other daie , this childe shall
bring vnto them . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.154)

This Childe vsing moche the companie of seruinge men , and geuing good
eare to their taulke , did easelie learne , which he shall hardlie
forget , all daies of his life hereafter : (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.155)

So likewise , in the Courte , if a yong Ientleman will venture him self
into the companie of Ruffians , it is ouer greate a ieopardie , lest ,
their facions , maners , thoughtes , taulke , and deedes , will verie
sone , be euer like . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.156)

The confounding of companies , breedeth confusion
{COM:p._58_in_reprint} of good maners both in the Courte , and euerie
where else . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.157)

And it maie be a great wonder , but a greater shame , to vs Christian
men , to vnderstand , what a heithen writer , <font> Isocrates </font>
, doth leaue in memorie of writing , concerning the care , that the
noble Citie of <font> Athens </font> had , to bring vp their yougthe ,
in honest companie , and vertuous discipline , whose taulke in Greke ,
is , to this effect , in Englishe . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.158)

" The Citie , was not more carefull , to see their Children well
taughte , than to see their yong men well gouerned : which they brought
to passe , not so much by common lawe , as by priuate discipline .
(ASCH-E1-P2,16V.159)

For , they had more regard , that their yougthe , by good order shold
not offend , than how , by lawe , they might be punished :
(ASCH-E1-P2,16V.160)

And if offense were committed , there was , neither waie to hide it ,
neither hope of pardon for it . (ASCH-E1-P2,16V.161)

Good natures , were not so moche openlie praised as they were secretlie
marked , and watchfullie regarded , <P_17R> lest they should leaue the
goodnes they had . (ASCH-E1-P2,17R.162)

Therefore in scholes of singing and dauncing , and other honest
exercises , gouernours were appointed , more diligent to ouersee their
good maners , than their masters were , to teach them anie learning .
(ASCH-E1-P2,17R.163)

It was som shame to a yong man , to be seene in the open market :
(ASCH-E1-P2,17R.164)

and if for businesse , he passed throughe it , he did it , with a
meruelous modestie , and bashefull facion . (ASCH-E1-P2,17R.165)

To eate , or drinke in a Tauerne , was not onelie a shame , but also
punishable , in a yong man . (ASCH-E1-P2,17R.166)

To contrarie , or to stand in termes with an old man , was more heinous
, than in som place , to rebuke and scolde with his owne father : "
(ASCH-E1-P2,17R.167)

with manie other mo good orders , and faire disciplines , which I
referre to their reading , that haue lust to looke vpon the description
of such a worthie common welthe . (ASCH-E1-P2,17R.168)

And to know , what worthie frute , did spring of soch worthie seade , I
will tell yow the mostt meruell of all , and yet soch a trothe , as no
{COM:p._59_in_reprint} man shall denie it , except such as be ignorant
in knowledge of the best stories . (ASCH-E1-P2,17R.169)

<font> Athens </font> , by this discipline and good ordering of yougthe
, did breede vp , within the $circuite of that one Citie , within the
compas of one hondred yeare , within the memorie of one mans life , so
manie notable Capitaines in warre , for worthinesse , wisdome and
learning , as be scarse matchable no not in the state of Rome , in the
compas of those seauen hondred yeares , whan it florished moste .
(ASCH-E1-P2,17R.170)

And bicause , I will not onelie saie it , but also proue it , the names
of them be those . <font> Miltiades , Themistocles , Xantippus ,
Pericles , Cymon , Alcybiades , Thrasybulus , Conon , Iphicrates ,
Xenophon , Timotheus , Theopompus , Demetrius , </font> and diuers
other mo : of which euerie one , maie iustelie be spoken that worthie
praise , which was geuen to <font> Scipio Africanus </font> , who ,
<font> Cicero </font> douteth , whether he were , more noble Capitaine
in warre , or more eloquent and wise councelor in peace .
(ASCH-E1-P2,17R.171)

And if ye beleue not me , read diligentlie , <font> Aemilius Probus
</font> in Latin , and <font> Plutarche </font> in Greke , which two ,
had no cause either-2 to flatter or lie vpon <P_17V> anie of those
which I haue recited . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.172)

And beside nobilitie in warre , for excellent and matchles masters in
all maner of learninge , in that one Citie , in memorie of one aige ,
were mo learned men , and that in a maner altogether , than all tyme
doth remember , than all place doth affourde , than all other tonges do
conteine . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.173)

And I do not meene of those Authors , which , by iniurie of tyme , by
negligence of men , by crueltie of fier and sworde , be lost , but euen
of those , which by Goddes grace , are left yet unto us : of which I
thank God , euen my poor studie lacketh not one . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.174)

As , in Philosophie , <font> Plato , Aristotle , Xenophon , Euclide
</font> , and <font> Theophrast </font> : (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.175)

In eloquens and Ciuill lawe , <font> Demosthenes , Aeschines , Lycurgus
, Dinarchus , Demades , Isocrates , Isoeus , Lysias , Antisthenes ,
Andocides </font> : (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.176)

In histories , <font> Herodotus </font> {COM:p._in_reprint} <font>
Thucydides , Xenophon </font> : and which we lacke , to our great losse
, <font> Theopompus </font> and <font> $Ephorus </font> :
(ASCH-E1-P2,17V.177)

In Poetrie , <font> Aeschylus , Sophocles , Euripides , Aristophanes ,
</font> and somewhat of <font> Menander , Demosthenes </font> $sisters
sonne . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.178)

Now , let Italian , and Latin it self , Spanishe , French , Douch , and
Englishe bring forth their lerning , and recite their Authors ,
(ASCH-E1-P2,17V.179)

<font> Cicero </font> onelie excepted , and in one or two moe in Latin
, they be all patched cloutes and ragges , in comparison of faire wouen
broade cloathes . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.180)

And trewelie , if there be any good in them , it is either lerned ,
borowed , or stolne , from some one of those worthie wittes of <font>
Athens </font> . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.181)

The remembrance of soch a common welthe , vsing soch discipline and
order for yougthe , and thereby bringing forth to their praise , and
leauing to vs for our example , such Capitaines for warre , soch
Councelors for peace , and matcheles masters , for all kinde of
learninge , is pleasant for me to recite , and not irksum , I trust ,
for other to heare , except it be soch , as make neither-5 counte of
vertue nor learninge . (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.182)

And whether , there be anie soch or no , I can not well tell :
(ASCH-E1-P2,17V.183)

yet I heare saie , some yong Ientlemen of oures , count it their shame
to be counted learned : (ASCH-E1-P2,17V.184)

and perchance , they <P_18R> count it their shame , to be counted
honest also , (ASCH-E1-P2,18R.185)

for I heare saie , they medle as litle with the one , as with the other
. (ASCH-E1-P2,18R.186)

A meruelous case , that Ientlemen shold so be ashamed of good learning
, and neuer a whit ashamed of ill maners : (ASCH-E1-P2,18R.187)

soch do laie for them , that the Ientlemen of France do so : which is a
lie , as God will haue it . (ASCH-E1-P2,18R.188)

<font> Langoeus </font> , and <font> Belloeus </font> that be dead ,
and the noble <font> Vidam </font> of Chartes , that is aliue , and
infinite mo in France , which I heare tell of , proue this to be most
false . (ASCH-E1-P2,18R.189)

And though som , in France , which will nedes be Ientlemen , whether
men will or no , and haue more ientleshipe in their hat , than in their
hed , be at deedlie feude , with both learning and honestie , yet I
beleue , if that noble Prince , king <font> Francis </font> the first
were {COM:p._61_in_reprint} aliue , they shold haue , neither place in
his Courte , nor pension in his warres , if he had knowledg of them .
(ASCH-E1-P2,18R.190)

This opinion is not French , but plaine Turckishe : from whens , som
French fetche moe faultes , than this : which , I praie God , kepe out
of England , and send also those of oures better mindes , which bend
them selues againste vertue and learninge , to the contempte of God ,
dishonor of their contrie , to the hurt of manie others , and at length
, to the greatest harme , and vtter destruction of themselues .
(ASCH-E1-P2,18R.191)

Some other , hauing better nature , but lesse witte , <paren> for ill
commonlie , haue ouer moch witte </paren> do not vtterlie dispraise
learning , (ASCH-E1-P2,18R.192)

but they saie , that without learning , common experience , knowledge
of all facions , and haunting all companies , shall worke in yougthe ,
both wisdome , and habilitie , to execute anie weightie affaire .
(ASCH-E1-P2,18R.193)

Surelie long experience doth proffet moch , but moste , and almost
onelie to him <paren> if we meene honest affaires </paren> that is
diligentlie before instructed with preceptes of well doinge .
(ASCH-E1-P2,18R.194)

For good precepts of learning , be the eyes of the minde , to looke
wiselie before a man , which , waie to go right , and which not .
(ASCH-E1-P2,18R.195)