THE THIRD BOOKE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.3) I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.4) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.5) Thus ended she her song , when greedy me & astond with lyfted eares , the doulcenes of her verse , perced . Wherfore a little after : " O cheefest comfort , " quoth I , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.7) " of wearyd myndes , how much hast thou reviued me , with waight of sentence , or pleasantnes of song . so as heerafter I shall think me not inferiour to fortunes strokes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.8) and so the remedyes that a little before thou saidst to sharp , not only doo I not feare , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.9) but ernest to heare of I greedely beseech . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.10) Then she : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.11) " I perceauid , " quoth she , " when silently our wordes with attentyue care thou cacht , that this state of thy mynde eyther I lookt for , or that is truer , my self haue made : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.12) The rest that doth remayne , be such that tasted , smartes , but inwardly received , sweetens . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.13) But for that thou namest thy self ernest to heare , with what desyres shouldest thou be inflamed , yf thou couldst know whither we meane to bring the` ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.14) " Whither ? " quoth I ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.15) " to true felicitie , which thy mynde dreames of , whose eyes being vsed to pictures , it self can not beholde . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.16) Than I : " doo , I besech the` , and without delay , shew what is the true one {COM:sic} . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.17) " Willingly shall I doo it , " quoth she , " for thy sake , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.18) but cause that thou doost better know the same in woordes , I shall describe and seeke to inform the` that she knowen , when eyes thou turnst to contrary parte , the show of truest good , thou mayst knowe . " {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,43.19) II . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.22) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.23) Than fixing her looke awhile , and as taken with straight conceite of mynde , thus begyns : " All mortall care which labour of many studyes vsith , goes on in diuers pathes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.25) and yet stryves to com to one end of bliss : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.26) But that is right good which a man obtayning , no furder may desyre , which is of all the greatest good , & in it self contaynes them all , of which if any want , it can not be the moste , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.27) for outwardly were left somthing to be wisht . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.28) Playne then it is , that state of all good thinges perfect in his gathering , is onely blisse . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.29) This , as we sayde , by diuers path all mortall $mens {TEXT:men} indeuors gett . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.30) For nature hath ingraft in mens mynd desyre of truest good , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,44.31) but strayeng errour to falshode doth seduce vs . Among whom som , beleeuing hit greatest good nothing to want , stryve to be rych : som , supposing honour best , when gotten they haue , seeke of their Citizens honour . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.32) Others ther be that settels greatest good in hyest powre . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.33) such will or raigne themselves , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.34) or stryve to cleave to such as doo . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.35) But they that suppose honour greatest good , they eyther with warre or peaces worth hast to inlarge a glorious name . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.36) But many good men measure the frute of good with joy & mirth , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.37) and they think it happyest to wallow in delytes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.38) Then be to , that enterchange ech end & care with other , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.39) as they that riches & delyte for powres sake desyre , the other powre for monnyes sake or glory doo desyre . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.40) In these & such lyke humayne actes or desyres , intent abydes , as Nobilitie & popular fame they seeme to get som show . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.41) wyfe & children for plesure sake desyre , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.42) but partaking of of frendes that holyest is not reckon by fortune nor force , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.43) The rest eyther-1 for powres sake or delyte be taken . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.44) It is playne that bodyes good to hyer thinges be referd , whose strength & bygnes it is that makes their woork commended . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.45) Beauty & agilitie their fame , hath their delyte , to whom only bliss they ad , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.46) for that that ech man thinkes above the rest exceede , that greatest good he thinkes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.47) And greatest we suppose blisse to be , which makes men think blessedst thing , that ech man above the rest couetes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.48) Before thyn eyes thou hast the forme sett out of mans felicitie , Riches , honour , powre , glory , and delyte , which last only the Epicure considering , hit followes that the greatest good he thought , for that delyte bringes all delytefull thing to mynde . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.49) But let me retourn to mans study , whose mynde albeit with blynded memory , yet seekes the greatest good , but as dronken man knowes not the path to bring him home . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.50) Doo they seeme to err that nothing to neede desyres ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.51) for that nought can so well obtayne happynes as flowing state of all good thinges , not needing others , contented with it self . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.52) Be they deceaud that hit supposith best , that worthyest is of Reuerente respecte ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,45.53) No sure , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.55) nether is that vyle to be despisde that the care of ech mans labour couettes to gett . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.56) Is not force to be nombred among good thinges ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.57) What then , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.58) is that weake and to be estemid feeble , that of all other thinges exceedes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.59) Is not honour to be regarded ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.60) It can not be denyed , but that that is most worth , ought be most honord . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.61) For carefull sorowfull , blisse we can not call , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.62) nor subiecte to care & woe we may not saye , when in lest thinges that is desyrd , that most delytes haue & enioye . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.63) And these be those which men wold obtayne , & for their cause desyre ryches , dignitie , Raygnes , glory , & delytes . for that by these they beleeue they may gett ynough , honour , powre , glory , and Joye . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.64) Good it is therfore that men by so many ways doo seeke ; In which , what force of nature ther is , is showed , that tho dyuers & sondry opinyons , yet in looving goodnes end , they all consent . " {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,46.65) III . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.68) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.69) " You allso o erthly wightes , though by single figure doo dreame of your own begynning . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.71) & that true end of blissednes perceaue , tho with no playne yet with sour thought , vnderstand . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.72) And thither bringes you a naturall instinct to true goodnes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.73) and increasing errour leades yo=u= from the same . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.74) Consider therfore , whither men can obtayne their end desyrd , by those meanes that men suppose gettes happynes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.75) For if eyther monny , honors , or such lyke can bring such thinges to whom nothing is lacking of , best , let vs then confesse that som men may be happy by their obteyning . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.76) For if neyther they can doo that they promise & wantes greatest good , is it not euident that they haue but a false show of blessidnes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.77) First therfore let me ask the` that a little afore aboundedst in ryches , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.78) Among thy flowing heaps , did not conceyte of conceauid iniury amase thy mynde ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.79) " I can not remember , " quoth I , " that euer my mynde was so free but somwhat greeuid it . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.80) " Was it not because that was a waye that thou woldest not forgo , or was with the` that thou caredst not for ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.81) I answerd , " so it is . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.82) " Then thou desyredst the ones presence , and the others want ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.83) I confesse . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.84) " Does any man neede than , " quoth she , " that euery man wantes & needes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.85) He that lackes is not wholly content . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.86) No , sure . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.87) When thou hadst welth ynough , hadst thou not this want ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.88) " What els ? " said I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.89) " Then Riches can not make a man lack nothing , nor yet content himself . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.90) And this is that promise they seemed . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.91) This I suppose ought most be considered , that monny of his own nature hath nothing that he can not be spoyled of that possesses it . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.92) I confesse it . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.93) " Why shouldst thou not confesse yt . Whan a mightyer takes it away from the vnwilling . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.94) Whence come these Courtes complayntes ? but that coyne is taken away from the losers by force or guyle ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.95) He shall haue neede therfore of outward help by which his monny he may keepe . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.96) Who can this deny ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.97) He should not cede such help that possest of monny lose he wold not . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.98) This is doutles . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.99) The matter is fallen otherwise now , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,48.100) for such riches as were thought sufficient of them selves , are needy of others ayde . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.101) But what is the way to dryve away lack from ryches ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.102) for rych men can they not honger , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.103) Can they not thirst , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.104) nor can not somtyme the cold wynter hurt the lymmes of the rich man ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.105) But you will say , they haue ynough , thurst & colde to dryue away . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.106) But by this meanes yo=u= may saye the lack of rich men may be comforted , neuer $taken {TEXT:take} away . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.107) For if she euer gape & serch for som thing els , tho fild with ryches ynough , it must be that ther somthing remaynes that it should be filld withall . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.108) I neede not tell you that Nature with lest , & Auarice with nothing is contented . Wherfore if nether Riches can take away their lack , & they make their own neede , why should we think them sufficient ? {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.109) IV . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.111) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.112) " But thou wilt say dignities makes honorable , reuerenced to whom they hap . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.114) Haue $then dignities this force ? that they can ingraff in vsers myndes vertue , & expulse vice . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.115) Nay , they are wont , not to chace iniquitie but to adorn it ; so as we disdayne somtyme that they should hap to wickedst men : wherfore Catullus , tho Nonius sate as Curule , calld him Lump of flesh . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.116) Dost thou see how great a shame somtyme dignity receuith ? Which indignitie should not be so euident , if honour should not show it . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,49.117) You allso , could you haue bene brought by so many perils to accompany Decoratus in office , when in him you sawe a mynde of a wicked Ruffin , and slanderer tongue ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.118) For we can not for honors sake iudge them worthy Reuerence whom we suppose vnworthy of their dignities . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.119) But if thou sawest a wyse man , couldst thou not think him wourthy of reuerence euin for that wisdom he enioyes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.120) Yes surely , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.121) for ther is a peculiar dignitie for vertue , which alltogither is bestowde on them to whom she haps . Which because they $can $not {TEXT:cannot} euer haue popular honors , they may not enioy the beauty of their worth : wherin this is to be noted , that if it be the lesse worth , that it is dispised of many , when they can not make them reuerenced , thorow the contempt that many makes it , Then honour makes many wicked ; but yet not without punishment ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.122) for wicked men giues this good turn to dignitie , that they spot them with their own infection . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.123) And that thou mayst know that true honour can not hap by these shaded dignities , gather it $thus {TEXT:this} : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.124) Yf a man haue oft tymes bene Consul , & fortune to com to barbarous Nations , shall there honour make him be esteemd ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.125) Yf this be a naturall gyft to all dignities , whither euer they go , they should vse the self office , As the fyre in ech Country neuer leaues to burne . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.126) But because not their own force but false humayne opinion hath bred it , straight they vanish , when to them they com that esteemes not such dignities . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.127) but thus much for foren Nations . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.128) Among them that made them , doo they euer last ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.129) The Prefectures office was once a greate powre , now a vayne name , and a combersom waight of Senators Censure . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.130) He was wont be greate that cared for the peeples prouisions . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.131) $Now , what baser than that office ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,50.132) For as a little afore I said , That it had nothing in it self of his own proper valure , that takes or loses luster by the vsers opinion . Yf then honors can not make men reuerenced , which are despisd by wicked mens infection , if by change of tyme they leave to be famous , yf by vulgar opinion despysd , what beauty haue they in them selves , or can giue others ? {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.133) V . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.135) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.136) " But kingdomes & kinges familieerities , can they not make a man happy ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.138) What els ? yf their felicitie euer last . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.139) But full be old examples & of present age , that kinges haue changed with misery their lott . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.140) O noble powres , which is not able to keepe them selves . Yf this Raigne of kinges be autour of felicytie , shall it not bring misery in part that lackes , and so diminish Luck ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.141) For tho mens dominions stretch furr , yet more peeple ther must needes be , vnacquaynted with kinges Raigne . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.142) For wher the making felicitie endith , there skanted is the force , & wretched makes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.143) Thus must it needes follow that greatest portion of myserye kinges haue . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.144) The tyrant that proued the danger of his Lot , dissembled his Raignes feare by sword hanging on his head . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.145) What then is powre ? that can not chace bittes of Care , nor shun the stinges of feare ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.146) Will they haue to lyue secure , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.147) but may not , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,51.148) and yet boast of their force ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.149) Dost thou suppose him mighty , whom thou seest can not what he wold , performe ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.150) dost thou think him strong that fills his sydes with $gardes , that whom he affrightes , himself doth feare ? who , that he may seeme mighty , throwes himself to the handes of slaues ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.151) What shall I speake of kinges fauorites , when the kingdoms themsellves I haue shewde full of such weaknes ? whom ofttymes kinges force hath preseruid , som tymes opprest ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.152) Nero compeld Seneck his familiar & tutour to chose his own death . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.153) Antony threw to soldiours glaiues Papinian , long in Courte , of Credit . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.154) And both wold willingly giue vp their autoritie . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.155) Seneck offerd Nero all his goodes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.156) & straue to return to his own ease . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.157) But while the waight it self thrust them downe , nether that he wold obtayned . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.158) What is this autoritie then ? which the hauers feare , such as when thou woldst haue , art not safe , & seekest putt of , canst not shun ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.159) Shall thy frendes be helpers , whom not vertue but fortune gat the` ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.160) But whom felicitie made a frend , misery makes an ennemy . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.161) What plague is there more of strength to harme than a familiar ennemy ? {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,52.162) VI . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.165) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.166) " But glory how begyling , how fowle is she ? Wherfore the Tragik poet wrongfully exclaymes not : O Glory , glory , on thousandes of men nought worth , a greate name thou haste bestowed . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.168) For many haue lost greate renoune through vulgar false opinion , than which what can be worsse ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.169) for they that falsely be praised , needes must they blush at their own laude . Which if hit may be got by desart , what may they allow the conscience of a wise man , who mesurith not his good by popular fame , but Conscience trouth ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.170) And if to stretch $for {TEXT:fur} mens fame , seeme best , it followes then , to skant the same is worst . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.171) But since , as I haue afore tolde , it must nedes be that many Nations ther ar to whom the fame of one man could neuer com , It followes then , that whom $you thought most glorious , in the next climate of the earth seemes vnspoken of . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.172) Among all this I suppose not popular fauour woorthy of memoriall , whom neyther Judgement bred , nor steddy lastes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.173) But now how vayne , how slippery is noble name . Who sees it not ? which if to honour yo=u= refer , an other man makes it . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.174) For nobilitie seemes to be a prayse proceeding of parentes desart . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.175) And if the speche therof make it knowen , they must be noble that be spoken of . Wherfore if thyne own thou have not , an other mans lawde shall neuer make the` famous . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.176) And if ther be any good thing in nobilitie , this I think it only-3 , that it breedes the hauers a constraynte , that they may not degenerate from their auncestors vertue . {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,53.177) VII . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,54.180) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,54.181) " But what should I speake of the bodye's pleasure , whose greedie desyres be full of wo , and sacietie of repentance ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,54.183) What diseases , how intollerable paynes is wont as frute of wickednes , hap to the enioyers body . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,54.184) What pleasure soeuer their motions haue , I know not . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,54.185) But who will remember his own delites , shall vnderstand what wofull end those pleasures haue ; which if they could yeld men happy , ther is no cause why beastes should not be lyke , whose wholle delite hyes to satisfy their lust . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.186) Most laudable shuld be delite of wyfe & childe , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.187) but I know not how somtyme against nature it haps that children haue tormented them , whose state how wearing it is , I neede not now tell the` , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.188) but knowst it well ynough , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.189) and nedest not now wayle it . Which makes me allow Euripides opinion , who said , he was happy in mishap that lackt ofspring . {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.190) VIII . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.192) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.193) " Doubte then ther is none , but that these to blesse , be crooked steps , nor thither can any man bring , whither they promise leade him . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.195) How wrapt they be in euills , shortly I can shew you . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.196) For what , wilt thou snatch moony ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.197) Thou must take it from the hauer . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.198) Woldst thou shyne with dignities ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.199) Thou wilt pray the giuer ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.200) & thou that desyrst to aduaunce others in honour , with lowlynes of request , art dasht . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.201) Dost thou desyre powre ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.202) to subjectes ambusshes thou shalt lye in danger . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.203) Dost thou seeke glory ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.204) Thou leauest to be sure , that art drawen by so sharp wayes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.205) Pleasurable lyfe dost thou desyre ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.206) But who wold not despise & throwe away the bodyes bondage so frayle & vile ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.207) But now , such as cares for bodyes strength , on how frayle & meane a possession doo they trust ! (BOETHEL-E2-P2,55.208) Can you in force exceede the Elephantes waight , or bulls strength ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.209) Shall yo=u= forego the Tigres swiftnes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.210) Looke thou on heauens compasse , stabilitie and speede , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.211) & leave to wonder at that is base . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.212) A marveil in reason it were that Skye it selfe were better than he by whom it is guided . Whose forme is so much the fayrer as it is caryed with soudain & speedy change of Springes floures ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.213) Yf , as Aristotle sayes , men could vse Linxes eyes , to peirce throw that they sawe , wold they not whan bowells all were seene , suppose that that fayre body whose covering Alcibiades spake of , should fowlest seeme ? Wherfore not thy nature but weaknes of vewars sight makes the` seeme fayre . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.214) Esteeme how much you will of bodyes goodes , when this yo=u= knowe , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.215) whatso yo=u= wonder , a fyre of a Tercian may dissolue . Of which all , this in somme yo=u= may gather , that these which neyther can performe that they promise be good , nor when they are alltogither can be perfecte , These nether can add strength to bliss , nor make them blest that haue them . {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,56.216) XII . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,69.219) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,69.220) Than I : " I agree well to Plato , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,69.222) for twise thou hast remembred me of it . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,69.223) First , when memory I lost thorow bodyes syn , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,69.224) next , prest with sorowes burden . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,69.225) Then she : " yf the abouesaid thou hast regarded , thou wilt not be long ere thou remember that lately thou hast confest thou knewest not . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.226) " $What $'s {TEXT:What's} that ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.227) " thou meanest by what Raynes the world is guided , " sayd she . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.228) " I remember it , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.229) & that my ignorance confessed shewes , Albeit I see what thou has brought me , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.230) yit playnlier of the` to heare it I desyre . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.231) " A little before , " quoth she , " Thou thoughtst ther was no doute but that the wourld by God was ruled . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.232) " Nether now nor euer will I doute it , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.233) and what therfore be my reasons , in short I will tell yo=u= . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.234) This world had neuer com togither into one forme of so diuers & contrarious partes , without one it were that so diuers thinges doth Joyne . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.235) And being so knytt , the diuersitie of their own natures among themselves disagreeing , should vncouple & breake them , without one it were that held that so he knytt . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.236) For so certain an order of nature should not contynue , nor should show so many diuers motions in their place , tyme , woork , space , & quality , without one it were alone that euer byding himself , disposeth their mutable varietye . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.237) What euer this is , wherby the made remayns , & be wrought , by vsuall name of all men , God is calld . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.238) Then she : " Since this thou thinkst , I shall haue but little labour that thou , that comprehendst felicities , as an inhabiter should renew thy Countrey . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.239) But let vs looke on our own propositions . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.240) Have we not set sufficiency in nomber of blisse , and so graunte that God it is ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.241) And to rule the world he needith no other help . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.242) For els , yf ought he needed , full sufficiency he had not . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.243) " That must needes be . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.244) " Then by him self all he disposes alone . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.245) And God is he that only we haue showed to be the good . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.246) By goodnes therfore all he doth dispose , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.247) for by himself he rulith all , whom we haue graunted the only good . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.248) And he is the key & helm wherby this worldes molde stable & vncorrupt is kepte . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.249) " I agree to this , " quoth I , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.250) " and with a slender suspicion I sawe afore what yo=u= wold saye . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.251) " I beleeue it well . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.252) For euin now , as I think more heedely to looke , to truth thou hast turnd thyne eye , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,70.253) And that I say is playne now that thou with me may see . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.254) " $What $'s {TEXT:Whats} that ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.255) " When rightly we beleeue that God all Rules by goodnes order , & that all thinges as I have taught you , by naturall instinct hyes to the hiest good , Can any man doute , but that willingly they are so rulde , & turnes themselfes to the beck of the disposer , as Ruler of meetest & best agreeing ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.256) " It must needes be , " quoth I , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.257) " for els it could not be a blessed raigne , yf it should be the yoke of drawers back , not the favour of the obeyeng . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.258) And so nothing can conserve nature that stryves to gaynesay his God . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.259) but what if he went about it , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.260) Can any thing euer prevail against him whom all men graunte by lawe of bliss , the mightyest ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.261) " It should nought prevayle , " said I , " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.262) for ther is nothing that eyther can or may resist the greatest good . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.263) " Then that is the top of felicitie , that stowtly rules & gently all disposith . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.264) " How much , " quoth I , " these thinges not only that are concluded by great Reason , but thy wordes themselves much more delytes me , So as a man may be ashamd of him self , that foolishly hath babled so much . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.265) " You haue hard er now , " sayd she , " in fables how Gyantes haue clamard to the hevens , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.266) but them to as hit was meete , the gentle force hath deposd . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.267) But will yo=u= haue me make a comparison ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.268) Perchance thorow such debate , som cleere sparkell of trouth shall leape out . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.269) Thy Judgement hath made the` suppose that no man doutes but God is of all thing the mightyest . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.270) No man will doubte therof , without he be mad . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.271) and he that Rulith all , nothing ther is that doo he can not . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.272) " Nothing , " quoth I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.273) " can God do yll then ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.274) " No , " quoth I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.275) " For yll is nothing , when he can not make it , that can do all . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.276) " Do you dally with me , " quoth I , " & wrap me in vndooing laberinth of Reason , in which thou entrest in , whence thou wentst out , & now goest out where thou camst in ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.277) So hast thou not thus wrapt a Rondell of dyuine sinceritie ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,71.278) For a little afore begynning from bliss , thou saydst she was greatest good , which only abode in the greatest God . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.279) Then thou saydst that God himself was the greatest good & blisse , of whom no man was made blessed , but he that was lyke to him , And that thou gauest for a reward . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.280) Then thou saydst that the shape of good was the substance of God & bliss , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.281) $and {TEXT:&_and} so didst saye , that he alone was greatest good , which Naturally ech man desyrd ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.282) and didst dispute that God was he that ruld the vniuersalitie by the raynes of goodnes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.283) & all thinges willingly did obey , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.284) And so ther was no euill in Nature . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.285) And didst show how all thinges , not by outward , but one from an other lynking beleefe , had ingraft prooues and their own . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.286) Then she , " We doo not sporte , as godes gyftes the greatest doo require , that thing that of late we so much desyrd . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.287) For such is the shape of divine substance that neyther it slyppith to outward cause , nor inwardly doth take for him self any thing without him . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.288) But as Parmenides sayth : A lyke compasse in Roundnes ech Circle caryes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.289) Then if we have so well compast , that we have not-2 gatherd our reasons out of the matter , but agreing with that that we have treated , ther is no cause then why thou shouldst doute , when thou hast lernt by Plato , that all talke should agree as neere of kyn to matter that we speake of . " {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,72.290) THE FOURTH BOOKE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.293) I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.294) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.295) Thus when Philosophy her stately looke & graue countenance keeping , In mylde & sweete sorte had song , Then I , not forgetting my late ingraven woe , burst out to tell som part of my intent . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.297) O , " quoth I , " Thou , the guide of true light , such thinges as thy talke hitherto hath vtterd , by diuine speculation & Reason thyne , are showed inuincible . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.298) And though the same of late my iniuryes sorowe forgate , yet altogither of them I was not ignorant . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.299) But this was the self & greatest cause of all my woe , that when the Righter of all thing is good , eyther at all euills can be , or vnpunished pas . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.300) That , how worthy wonder it is , consider I pray yo=u= . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.301) But to this a greater mater is added . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.302) For wickednes ruling & florishing , not only vertue wantes rewarde , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.303) but subiect to the feete of wicked men , is troden downe (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.304) & suffers payne that wicked folkes deserue . Which happening in a Raigne of him that all knowes , all $may , and such a god that wills but only that is good , No man can but mervell and complayne . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.305) " It should be worthy mervell , " quoth she , " And horrible more than any monster , if , as thou supposest , in a house guyded by such a master , base vessells should be esteemd , & precious are despisd . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.306) But so it is not . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.307) For if such thinges be kepte which we of late concluded , & be kepte togither , he being the maker of whose kingdom we spake , thou shalt knowe that euer good men be mighty , yll men slaues & weake . And how vice is neuer without punishment , nor vertue without rewarde . And how prosperitie to the good , yll luck to euill betydes . And such lyke , which may leaving quarrels , strengthen the` with steddy soundnes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,75.308) And for that thou haste seene the picture of true blisse , which I shewed the` , and haste knowen where hit is placed , passing all those thinges that necessary I think not , I will show the` the way that home to thy house may bring the` and stick fethers in thy mynde , wherby thou mayst sore up on hye , so as woe trode down , homedweller in thy country by my guyding path & Charyot mayst return . " {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,76.309) II . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.312) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.313) Than I : " O Lord , how great thinges dost thou promis , nether doubt I but that performe thou canst hit , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.315) but stik not now at that thou hast begon . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.316) " First therfor , thou must knowe , " quoth she , " that good men haue euer power , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.317) Iuel men lack euer strengh for good and yl , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.318) being so contrary , yf powreful be the first , the last doth shewe his Lack . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.319) But that your Opinion may haue more Credit , by ether pathe I wyl treade , and therby my propositions confirme . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.320) Two thinges ther be by wiche the effecte of eache mans doings apere , wyl and power , of wiche if ether lacke , nothing may be perfourmed . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.321) For wyl wanting , No man wyl go about that he wold not . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.322) and power fayle , vain is wyl . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.323) So hit folowes , that whan he wants that he wylz , no dout but power failes to get the desired . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.324) " That is plain , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.325) and $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be denied . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.326) " And whom thou seest $optaine {TEXT:optone} that he wold , dost thou dout that he may not haue the power ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.327) In that he prevailes , In that man is able , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.328) but weke must nides be , in that he may not . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,77.329) Dost thou remember that in our last arguments this was gathered that the intent of eache man's wyl , thogh diuersly distracted , is only to hie to blis ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.330) " I remember hit was so shewed . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.331) " Dost thou cal to mynd that blis is the greatest good , and so whan that is soght al best is got ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.332) " I remember that well Inough , " quoth I , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.333) " for that hold I fixd in mynde . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.334) " Therfore all good men & yll stryve to com to the best by diuers intentes ! " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.335) " So it is . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.336) But most sure it is they are made good men by obtayning good . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.337) " But is it sure that good men doo allwayes obtayne that they desyre ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.338) " So it seems . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.339) " But if yll men might obtayne good , they could not be yll . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.340) " So it is . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.341) " When they both desyre good , but the one gettes it , the other not , It is certain that good men be mighty & yll weake . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.342) " Who euer , " quoth I , " doutes therof neyther can consider Natures property , nor sequele of Reason . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.343) " Then if twoo ther be that by nature requires one thing , one of them naturally does that & performs , & the other no way can do it , nor can agree to what Nature will , & so to fullfill his intent doo but follow the fulfiller : which of them ij thinkest thou more of powre ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.344) " Though I coniecture what you wold , yet plainlyer I desyre to heare . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.345) " The motion of walking , you can not deny but all men haue , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.346) nor does not doute that is not the feetes office ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.347) Yf any man , then that can go , & an other to whom the naturall propertie of the feete is wanting , stryving with his handes , stryves so to walke , which of these ij suppose yo=u= more worth ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.348) " Perform the rest if that you will , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.349) for no man doutes but he is more of force that hath the vse of nature , than he that wantes it . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.350) " But the greatest good , " said she , " that is set before yll & good , the good desyre by naturall duty of vertue , the other by a scatterd desyre , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.351) & stryue to get that which is no proper gift , to such as will obtayne the greatest good . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.352) Doest thou think the contrary ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.353) " No , " quoth I , " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.354) for that is playne that followes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.355) For heerby may we gather that I graunted afore , good men to be mighty , & yll men weake . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.356) " Rightly hast thou discourst , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.357) And so , as phisicians ought to hope , that it is a signe of a helthy & Resisting Nature . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,78.358) But for that I see the` redyest to understand , I will heape vp many reasons . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.359) Beholde , how greate a weakenes is there appeers in vicious men that can not obtayne that to which their naturall intent leades & well nye compells . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.360) And what if they be left of the greate & almost invincible help of his precedent nature ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.361) Consider how great a feblenes holdes wicked men . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.362) For nether can they gett light & vayne rewardes , which they can not obtayne , but fayles in the Top of height , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.363) neither does good effect hap to the wretched , euen the same that night & day they seeke . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.364) And yet in self same thing we see the good mens strenghth excell . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.365) For as a man that walkes to that place whence chefely he wold com , being such as has no way beyond , woldst thou not think him best footeman ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.366) so $shouldst {TEXT:shoulst} thou think him mightyest that can comprehend the end , beyond which no furder is . Wherby it haps that who contrary is , the same be wicked & weake of all strength . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.367) For why doo they follow vice , leaving vertue behind them ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.368) For ignorance of good ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.369) But what is more feeble than ignorance blyndnes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.370) But they know what follow they ought ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.371) But their lust doth ouerthrow them : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.372) so doth intemperance the frayle men that in vice be delited . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.373) But wittingly & knowing do they leave that is good , and so bend them to vice ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.374) This waye , not only without powre , but they leave to be . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.375) For they that forsake the common end of all thinges that be , they leave themselves to be . Which may seeme strange to men , that euill men that many be we shall not-7 say to be , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.376) but so the case standth . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.377) For they that euill be , I deny them not to be yll , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.378) but I deny that they be purely or simply . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.379) For as we call a Carcas , a dead man , symply we can not call him man : so vicious men we graunte them to be yll , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.380) but absolutely to be , that can we not confesse . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.381) For ther is that , that keps & retaynes Natures order : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.382) Ther is that fayles from that , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.383) & leaves that in their Nature is grafted . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.384) But thou wilt say , yll men may doo , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.385) nether can I denye . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.386) But this powre to doo coms not of force , but of weaknes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,79.387) For they can doo yll , which they should not doo , if they wold remayn in their creation of good . Which possibilitie to doo , In not dooing shewes they can doo nothing . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.388) For yf , as we haue gatherd afore , euill be nothing , when but only the yll they can doo , wicked men can doo nothing . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.389) " $That $'s {TEXT:Thats} playne . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.390) " And that you may understand what is the force of this powre , we haue defynd afore , that nothing is fuller of force than the greatest good . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.391) But that $can $not {TEXT:cannot} the wicked doo . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.392) But what man is that thinkes man can doo all ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.393) " None but a mad man will so think . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.394) " And that the same can doo yll to ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.395) " Wold God they could not , " quoth I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.396) " When then he is mightest that can do all good , & mightyest men in yll , can not such thinges obtayne , then is it playne , that they can lest doo that be wicked . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.397) And so it haps , that rightly we haue showed , all powre to consist in thinges to be obtaynd ; And all such referd to greatest good , as to the top of Natures best . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.398) But possibilitie of wicked acte can not be refered to good , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.399) desyrd therfore it ought not be , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.400) & all powre is to be desyrd : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.401) It followes therfore , possibilitie of euill men is no powre . By all which , the powre of good men plainly appeers , & makes vndouted the weaknes of wicked men , veryfyeing Platoes sentence , to be true , that only wise men can performe , that they desyre to doo . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.402) But wicked men vse only that they will , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.403) but what they most desyre can not obtayne . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.404) For they doo certain thinges , in which delyting they suppose they haue obtaynd the good that they desyre : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.405) but obtayne it they can not , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.406) for reproche neuer coms to blisse . " {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,80.407) III . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.410) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.411) " See you not in what a great slowe , wicked thinges be wrapt in , & with how great a light , godlynes shynith ? by which $'t $is {TEXT:tis} playne , that neuer reward wantes to good , nor punishment to wicked folke . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.413) For it is no wrong that of thinges don , that be ech reward for which ech thing is don : as a Runner in a race has a guarland for which he ran , in rewarde . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.414) But we haue shewed how blisse is that self good , for which all thinges be don . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.415) Then it followes that the only good is sett as the vniuersall reward to men . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.416) And this from good men can not be deuided , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.417) for nether can he be iustly cald a good man by right , that wantith true good . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.418) Therfore good conditions can neuer want rewarde . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.419) For though euill men afflicte them , a wise mans Garland shall not fall nor wither . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,81.420) For other mens wickednes can not pluck away the true honour from honest myndes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.421) For yf he reioyce at ought received from outward meane , som other man or he that gaue it might take it awaye . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.422) But because Godlynes it self suffisith , then shall he want reward , when he leaves so to be . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.423) Lastly , since all rewarde is therfore desyrd , because it is beleeuid good , who can think an honest man , without rewarde ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.424) But of what ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.425) Of that that is fayrest & greatest . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.426) Remember this breefe that a little afore I gaue you to be the cheefest , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.427) & so conclude : When the greatest good is blisfulnes , they must needes be happy that are good , because they are so . And they that be happy , must needes be lyke to God . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.428) Therfore good mens reward is such as neyther any day drawes away , nor powre minish , nor Ire darken , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.429) but lyke to him they be . Which being true , no wise man may doute of the wicked mans inseparable payne . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.430) For where both good & yll , payne & reward be crosse one to an other , it followes that such reward as haps to goodnes , the same must needes be of contrary sorte , for payne of wicked . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.431) For as sinceritie to the honest is rewarde , so to the wicked their vnhappynes is their plage . So as who euer is punisht must needes be wicked . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.432) Yf therfore they wold way well themselves , can they suppose them voyde of payne , whose wickdnes in all ylls not only touchith them , but greevously infectes ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.433) See on thother syde , such parte as is to the good contrary , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.434) what payne doth follow them . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.435) I haue taught yo=u= afore that all that is , must be one , and that the only good is one . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.436) Then it followes , to what so that is , that seemes to be good . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.437) Then whosoeuer faylith from that good he leaves to be : so that , when euill they be , they leave to that they were ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.438) but to prove that men they were , the forme their humayne body shewith , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.439) but turned into malice , they haue left their humayne nature . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.440) And since that true pietie alone may lift vp a man , it followes , that whom wickednes hath throwen downe from state of man , hath cast him downe beneth the merit of man . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.441) So it haps , that whom transformed thou seest with vice , thou mayst not suppose him a man . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,82.442) The violent robber of others goodes is farvent in his robberyes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.444) swellith in coueting , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.445) & mayst call him woolflyke , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.446) feerce & contentious , exercises his tongue in bralles , euin lyke a dog . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.447) The secret lurker joyes with fraude to catche . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.448) And so is foxlyke , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.449) untemperate in ire he chafith , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.450) & men beleeue him a lyar ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.451) but fearfull & flyeing , fearith & dredith that needes not , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.452) And he to deere is compared . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.453) The sluggy & dullard languishith (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.454) & lyke an ass doth lyve . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.455) The light & vnconstant man changes his intentes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.456) & differs so nought from the byrdes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.457) And is plunged in filthy & vncleane lustes , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.458) And is kept in the delyte of his owne lewdnes . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.459) And so it haps , that he that forsakyth honesty leaues to be a man ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.460) for not to be able to attayne a dyuine state , is tournid to the bestly . {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,83.461) V . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.464) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.465) Than I began : (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.467) " I se , " quoth I , " what felicitie or misery it is , that is sett in the desertes of honest & wicked men . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.468) But in common fortune I see , but little good or yll to be . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.469) For no wise man wold rather choose to be exul , poore , dispisde , than riche , reuerenced , mighty , & florishing abide in his own Citie . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.470) For then more plainly & with better witnes , is the propertie of wisdom seene , when the happines of Rulers be as it were skatterd among such peeple as be straungers , When cheefely geayle , lawe & other tormentes for due punishment rather pertayne to wicked Citizens ; for whom they were first ordeynd . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.471) But when these be turnd in wry sorte , & wickedest payne doo presse good men , & yll doo snatch reward from vertue , I wonder much what may seeme the reason of so vniust a confusion , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.472) & doo desyre of the` to know . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.473) For lest wold I maruell therat , if I beleeued all thinges were mixt by chanceing luck . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,89.474) Now , God the guide , my doute increasith ; which when oft tymes he giues to good , delytes , to euill hard haps , somtyme agayne he giues yll chance to good , & grauntes the yll their wish , without ther could a cause be founde , what hit should be that makes a difference from chaunceing haps . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,90.475) " It is no wonder , " quoth she , " if any thing rash & confounded be beleuid when orders reason is vnknowen . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,90.476) But thou , allthough thou knowest not the cause of so greate an order , yet because a good guyder the world tempers , doubte thou not all thinges rightly orderd be . " {COM:verse_omitted} (BOETHEL-E2-P2,90.477) VII . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.480) PROSE . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.481) " Doo yo=u= see now what all these thinges we haue told may get ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.483) " What is that ? " said I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.484) " That all fortune may be good . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.485) " And how may that be ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.486) " Attend , " said she : " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.487) When euery fortune eyther plesing or hard be made eyther to exercise & reward the good , or to punish & correcte the yll , it is euident that all is a good cause that eyther-4 is manifest to be iust or proffitable . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.488) " I perceaue this reason to be most true , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.489) and if I consider eyther prouidence or fate , that you haue afore tolde , your opinion leanith I perceaue to steddyest ground . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.490) But let vs set her yf please yo=u= , among such as we haue supposed to be out of men's opinions . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.491) " What is that ? " said she . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.492) " For the common speche of men deceaues itself , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.493) & oft supposith mens fortunes hard . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.494) Will ye haue me a little draw neere to the vulgarest opinions ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.495) " As it please yo=u= , " said I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,98.496) " Doo yo=u= not suppose that to be good that avayles , and such thing as exercises or correctes , good therfore ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.497) " What els ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.498) " But these belong to those which eyther vertuous jarre against aduersitie , or strayeng from vice takes vertues waye . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.499) " I can not deny it . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.500) " May the common peeple deny that the rewarde is not good that good men haue ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.501) " No . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.502) For it must needes be the best . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.503) " And what of all the rest ? (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.504) Will the common sorte think that that is not best that , tho it be sharp , yet lymites wicked men by iust Payne ? " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.505) " Yea , " quoth I . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.506) " I think that to be the most misery of all . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.507) Let vs beware lest following the common opinion we doo somthing vnawares . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.508) By this that we haue graunted we conclude that worsse is the state of them that be eyther in the possibilitie , or in the aduaunce or obtayning of vertue , and yet byde in their iniquitie . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.509) " This is true , " said I , " tho no man dare confesse it . " (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.510) " Wherfore , " said she , " so ought not a wise man beare with greefe , fortunes wrestell , as it becoms not a strong man to be mooued , when a battell begyns . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.511) For the hardnes is argument for bothe , eyther to inlarge his glory , or to confirme his witt . Wherby we call it force that stycking to his owne strenght is not won by wo . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.512) For you cam not to vs in the aduancement of vertue , to make vs ouerflow with delites , or drownd in pleasure , but that we should make a sharp battell against all fortune , and that neyther the sowre oppresse yo=w= , nor pleasant corrupt yo=u= ; (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.513) the middle waye with steddy force maynteyne yo=u= . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.514) For who so beneth this or beyond goes has but felicities contempte , no trauells rewarde . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.515) For in your hand it is what fortune yo=u= will frame you , (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.516) for what so seemith sharpest eyther invres , correctes , or punishith . (BOETHEL-E2-P2,99.517)