<P_F1V>

<font> M.B. </font> I doe not see how any man can indeed iustifie , or
maintaine , that the spirites which appeare vnto them in the Christall
, or in the glasse , or water , or that any way do speake , and shewe
matters vnto them , be holy Angels , or the soules of excellent men ,
as of Moses , Samuel , Dauid , and others , though I haue heard that
the cunning men , take them to be such , and thinke they deale by them
against deuils . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.2)

<font> Dan. </font> It is no matter what Satans vassals are made to
beleeue by his subtil sleights : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.3)

it is most abhominable for any Christian man , euer to let it enter
into his thought , that they doe any thing by the power or wisdome of
the holie Ghost , by any Angel or good spirit , or that they doe any
thing against the deuill , which worke by the intelligence which they
haue from euill spirits : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.4)

therfore hold this , that they seeke vnto deuils , which run vnto those
southsayers . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.5)

<font> M.B. </font> I am perswaded indeed that they seek vnto deuils ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.6)

but I would see some reason for it out of Gods word .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.7)

<font> Dan. </font> Touching all spirituall matters , as to be armed
with power against deuils , and to know how to auoid the daungers which
they bring , we are no where to seeke , and to learne but of our most
blessed Lorde God . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F1V.8)

And of <P_F2R> him we $can $not {TEXT:cannot} learn , but by his holy
word , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.9)

for in it he hath opened vnto vs all his whole will .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.10)

And therefore , where the Lorde commaundeth the people of Israel by
Moses , <font> Deut. 18 </font> that they should not when they came
into the land , learn to do according to the abhominations of those
heathen , reckoning vp sundry kinds of such as were Satans instruments
which he vsed to seduce the multitude , by deuinations , by obseruing
of times , by augurie , by iuglings with the helpe of the deuill , by
vsing familiar Spirits , spirits of deuination , and seeking to the
dead : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.11)

he setteth downe also the remedie , shewing first , that he woulde cast
out those nations because they harkened vnto the southsayers , and
deuiners , pronouncing that euerie one which doth those things , is an
abhomination to the Lorde , willing his people that they should not
harken to such , but that they should hearken vnto him :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.12)

And then Moses saith , <font> A Prophet shall the Lord thy God raise vp
vnto thee from among you of thy brethren like vnto me ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.13)

him shal ye heare . </font> (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.14)

<font> M.B. </font> Then you prooue by that place , that we muste seeke
only to God , and not to such as work by meanes besides his words .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.15)

<font> Dan. </font> If you read that place , <font> Deut. 18 </font>
and mark euery thinge well , you shall see it doeth not onely prooue
that they seeke vnto Deuilles , which runne to these cunning men and
women : because the Prophetes which God hath raysed vp to declare the
Lords will , commaund vs not to doe such things : but also declareth
that they bee an abhomination to the Lorde that vse them , or that
seeke vnto them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.16)

<font> M.B. </font> I see then it is not onelie a sinne , but a moste
horrible sinne , to seeke vnto them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.17)

Alas , many do not think that they seeke vnto deuilles , when they goe
for helpe vnto them for thinges stollen , or for helpe and remedie
against witches . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2R.18)

<P_F2V>

<font> Dan. </font> No doubt many refuse to hear the voyce of God , to
be instructed by him : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.20)

they despise his word , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.21)

and therfore they be giuen vp to hearken vnto Deuilles .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.22)

Such as haue sought vnto any of these that worke by the deuill , and
now come to see their offence , ought to shew repentaunce for the same
, not as for a light sinne . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.23)

It is no small abhomination to goe for helpe vnto the deuill :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.24)

It is to set him in Gods place , and to honour him as God .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.25)

It riseth of infidelity and distrust of help from God , as we may see
in the example of king Saule , who finding no answere nor comforte from
God , whom he had so wickedly disobeyed , went to a witch .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.26)

The heathen man saide , <font> Flectere si nequeo Superos , Acheronta
mouebo . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.27)

If I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} intreat the goddes , I will downe among
the deuils . </font> (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.28)

<font> M.B. </font> Nay , doubtles there can be no defence made for
such seeking help at their hands , which deale with familiar spirits ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.29)

but I muse at diuers thinges , as this for one , how the cunning men ,
if they deale by the power of the deuill , should vse such good wordes
, and will them that come vnto them to doe all in the name of Christ ,
teaching them to vse words and sentences of the scriptures .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.30)

<font> Dan. </font> O sir , here lieth the deep subtiltie of Satan ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.31)

how should the people be seduced to follow him , if he should not vse
great cunning to couer matters , as if deuils were driuen out , and
harmes cured that are done by them , euen through the name and mightie
power of God . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.32)

Herein also lyeth a more foule abhomination , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.33)

and that is the abusing and horrible prophaning of the most blessed
name of God , and the holie Scriptures vnto witcheries , charmes , and
coniurations , and vnto all deuillish artes . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.34)

Such an one is haunted with a fayrie , or a spirit :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.35)

he must learne a charme compounded of some straunge speaches , and the
names of God intermingled , or weare some part of S. Johns Gospeall or
such like . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.36)

So against the thiefe , against the deuill sent by the witch , $the
$like {COM:sic} is practized . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F2V.37)

What can Satan <P_F3R> desire more , than that holie thinges should be
thus abused ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.38)

There is adoe to get him into the glasse , to get him into the
Chrystall , to get him into the basen of water : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.39)

there is a doe to binde hym , as it were by the name & power of Christ
to tell this thing or that thing . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.40)

The coniurer hee bindeth him with the name of God , and by the vertue
of Christes passion and resurrection , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.41)

& so maketh him serue his turne : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.42)

And all is his owne worke , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.43)

for he is not constrayned , nor bound , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.44)

but seeketh thus to haue God blasphemed . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.45)

O <paren> sayth the simple man </paren> this is a good woman ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.46)

shee speaketh of God , and of Christ , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.47)

and doth all in his name : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.48)

they be good words which she hath taught me to vse :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.49)

and what hurt can there be in vsing good wordes ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.50)

Alas poore man , what case are they in which must learne good words of
the deuill ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.51)

It is not the speaking of good wordes , or the wearing some part of the
scriptures , that defendeth from deuils , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.52)

therein lieth the craft of satan , to haue those holy thinges so
foullie abused , and that men may put trust in wordes and sentences
pronounced , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.53)

but the deuilles are withstood onlie by the power of faith , where the
holie scriptures are written in the heart , & the soule armed with the
power of them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.54)

From this Satan draweth men by his soothsayers , teaching them other
helpes : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.55)

For the naming of God , or the sentences of scripture bindeth not satan
, when we reade he can vtter them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.56)

<font> M.B. </font> Then howe can the deuill beare such a pitifull
minde , as to help those that bee in misery ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.57)

For many haue helpe by these cunning men . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.58)

The deuill is cruell and bent wholly to hurt , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.59)

and that is it which perswadeth manie that things are done euen by the
power of God . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.60)

<font> Dan. </font> The deuils be as pitifull as a greedy hungrie lion
that roareth after his pray , and as a fierce Dragon , all burning with
wrath and bloody malice : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3R.61)

they make shew of doing good vnto men , only of a most cruel and
murtherous purpose , euen to draw men deeper into the pit of hell with
<P_F3V> them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.62)

For if they can help the bodie a litle , it is to win both bodie and
soule vnto eternall damnation . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.63)

Where satan offereth his help , it is more to be feared , than where he
manifestly impugneth , and seeketh apparantly to hurt .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.64)

<font> M.B. </font> But this then is more strange , if they doe not
deale by the power of God , but by the power of the deuill , when they
driue out deuils from hurting , howe one deuill should driue out
another . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.65)

Our sauiour saith , that satan doth not driue out satan ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.66)

for then his kingdom should bee deuided (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.67)

and could not stand . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.68)

<font> Dan. </font> It is most certaine that satan doth not driue out
satan : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.69)

for our sauiour shewed the reason of the contrarie .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.70)

One deuill is readie to further the worke of another : but in no wise
to expel or to hinder one another . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.71)

<font> M.B. </font> There is it which maketh me to muse :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.72)

we see the deuill driuen out , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.73)

and doeth not returne againe , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.74)

and if it not be wrought by the power of deuilles , as you say , it
$can $not {TEXT:cannot} , then must it needs be by the power of God ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.75)

<font> Dan. </font> The Deuill is driuen out , neither by the power of
the deuill , nor yet by the power of God , in these that are healed by
cunning men . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.76)

<font> M.B. </font> I like this worst of al the speach which I heard
you vtter yet : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.77)

for if satan be not driuen out neither by the power of satan , nor by
the power of God , what other power is there to driue him out ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.78)

If you can shewe a third power to expell him , it is more than euer I
heard of . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.79)

<font> Dan. </font> There needeth not a thirde power to expell him ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.80)

for he is not driuen out at all . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.81)

<font> M.B. </font> I told you before , if you deni that to be , which
all experience doth shewe , then is it no reasoning .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.82)

There be examples in many places , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.83)

and daylie it is seene , that the deuill is driuen out of some
possessed , that wher he did vexe and torment men in their bodies , and
in their cattle , they haue remedie against him .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F3V.84)

<font> Dan. </font> I doe not denie but that some which are possessed
<P_F4R> and tormented by Satan , haue release : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.85)

but yet the deuill is not cast foorth by those means ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.86)

but ceaseth willingly euen to establish men in errour , and in most
wicked prophaning of the name of God , and worshipping of himselfe ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.87)

and so entreth deeper into them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.88)

<font> M.B. </font> I beseech you let me heare how that is , that you
say he ceaseth of his own accord . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.89)

Will he let goe his hold willingly and of his owne accord , where he
hath it vpon any man ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.90)

Doth he not desire to do hurt ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.91)

<font> Dan. </font> He doeth not let goe his hold which he hath vpon
any man , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.92)

but indeed taketh faster holde when hee seemeth to be cast foorth and
doth greater hurt : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.93)

for tel me whose deuise is the coniuration ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.94)

<font> M.B. </font> I am out of doubt that coniuration is the deuice of
the deuill . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.95)

<font> Dan. </font> Then tell me , hath the deuill deuised and taught a
way to bind himselfe , or to cast forth himselfe ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.96)

<font> M.B. </font> That I suppose he would neuer doe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.97)

<font> Dan. </font> Indeed if we wil imagine that the deuil is becom an
old foole ; (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.98)

we may think he wold teach that which should bind and cast foorth
himselfe : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.99)

but the scripture calleth him the old serpent : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.100)

he deuised and taught coniuration , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.101)

therefore coniuration doth not cast him foorth .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.102)

Yet he seemeth to be bound by the co~iurer , yea euen by the name of
God , and by the power of the passion of Christ .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.103)

The coniurer seemeth by the same power to driue him out of a man
possessed , whose body he doth vex & torment . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.104)

And he ceaseth willingly to torment the bodie , to establish
coniuration , & so to draw men quite from God , euen to worship and to
follow himselfe , and seeke all helpes at his hands .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.105)

Euen so when men are tormented in their bodies , or plagued in their
cattell by the deuill , and seeke vnto the cunning men and women ,
following the way that they prescribe vnto them , and haue ease in
their bodies , and no more harme among their cattell , Satan doth not
giue place as forced , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4R.106)

but ceaseth to do <P_F4V> those bodilie harmes , that he may fullie win
vnto himselfe both bodie and soule . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.107)

If they should not seeme to bee expelled , how should men be drawn to
seek help at their handes which deale by him ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.108)

how should witches and coniurers be drawne on most horriblie to pollute
and blaspheme the glorious name of God ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.109)

<font> M.B. </font> Then I see they buy their help deer which haue it
at the handes of these cunning men . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.110)

<font> Dan. </font> Yea , what can be bought more deare , than that
which is with the losse of soule and bodie for euer , by running from
God after deuils ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.111)

<font> M.B. </font> What shoulde a man thinke then touching all other
which deale not with the deuill , and yet haue certaine waies to finde
out witches , and to vnwitch that which they haue done ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.112)

<font> Dan. </font> Although they deale not directly by the deuill , I
meane they haue no familiar spirites that speake vnto them yet they
deale by deuillish deuises , which are also an abhomination to the Lord
. (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.113)

For all those seuerall sortes of witches which the Lord rehearseth ,
<font> Deut. 18. </font> did not deale directlie with deuils .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.114)

For some were obseruers of times , which had their luckie dayes and
their vnluckie dayes , and so their howers . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.115)

If they goe to buy or to sell , they choose their hower to set foorth
in . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.116)

Some dealt by the intralles of beasts , and by the flying of birds , by
meeting with an hare , or a foxe , and on which hand , & a thousand
such like . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.117)

Some deal with the Siue and paire of sheeres , vsing certaine words :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.118)

Some vse a charme for the tooth ach , another for the ague , and for
stopping the bleeding at the nose , also their spell for the theefe ,
and a thousande such like , when butter will not come , when cheese
will not runne , nor Ale worke in the fatte : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.119)

These would seeme of all others to haue witches in the greatest
detestation , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.120)

and in the meane time worke by the deuill themselues ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.121)

and may bee termed witches . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,F4V.122)

<P_G1R>

<font> M.B. </font> We doe count them witches which haue their spirits
, (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.124)

we doe not take them to be witches which doe but vse those things which
the cunning men haue taught . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.125)

For they doe not mean to doe any thing by the deuill .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.126)

Me thinketh therefore it is hard to call them witches .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.127)

<font> Dan. </font> Take the name of witchcraft for all that dealeth by
the power and deuices of the deuill . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.128)

No doubt some are more horrible than other of the seuerall sortes of
witches , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.129)

yet the lightest of them be abhominations before the Lord , as we are
taught , <font> Deut. 18. </font> (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.130)

and the ignorance doeth not excuse . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.131)

For what though the witch suppose it is the soule of Moses , which
appeareth in his Chrystal , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.132)

is he not therfore a witch ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.133)

Your neighbour , whose butter wold not come , which heat a spit red
hoat and thrust into the creame , vsing certaine wordes , doth thinke
she did by the power of God fray away the deuil ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.134)

is she therefore a witch , dealing with that which the deuil , and not
God hath taught ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.135)

Is she not a witch also in seeking help at deuils ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.136)

They which did burne the cloaths which their child lay in , to know by
the burning blacke whether it were bewitched , and to bring the witch
thither , dealt altogether by the power and direction of the deuill ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.137)

& so in scratching , for God hath taught no such things , then are they
not witches ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.138)

By whose instruction , and by whose power was the witch fetched home at
the burning of the hair of the butchers sonne you spake of ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.139)

Was not all done by the power of Satan , and by his instruction ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.140)

Are not they then which practize the thinges the Disciples of witches ,
& so indeed very witches ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.141)

Those which haue their charmes , and their night spels , what can they
be but witches ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.142)

I might reckon vp her that dealeth with the siue and the sheares , and
a number of such trumperies , in all which the most holie name of God
is polluted , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.143)

and if any thing be done , it is done wholly by the effectuall working
of Satan . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.144)

God hath giuen naturall helps , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1R.145)

and those we may vse , as from his hand against naturall <P_G1V>
diseases , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.146)

but things besides nature he hath not appointed ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.147)

especiallie , they be ridiculous to driue away deuilles and diseases .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.148)

<font> M.B. </font> Now you speak of naturall things ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.149)

we see there be great secretes in nature : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.150)

the Adamant draweth Iron vnto it . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.151)

And why $may {TEXT:m_ay} there not be some force in these naturall
things then ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.152)

<font> Dan. </font> No doubt there be great secrets in nature , which
the skilfull physicians , and naturall Philosophers do find out . As
the hanging of some thinge about the necke , may haue force to driue
away the ague , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.153)

the wearing of some thing may haue such vertue to deliuer from the
cramp , and such like . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.154)

And from these Satan doeth take occasion to bring in his trumperies ,
and curious deuiles . As because there be secretes in nature , a ring
is curiouslie framed according to the signes in the firmament ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.155)

this is tied to a thread , and let down into a basen or cup of water ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.156)

and wil shew great things . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.157)

Because there be secretes in nature , a horshoo must be heat red hot ,
and then put into a kettle seething vpon the fire to driue away the
witches spirite . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.158)

Also he that hath his cattle bewitched , burneth some liue thing , as
hogge or henne , to driue out the deuill . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.159)

Can these naturall thinges expell deuils ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.160)

Nay , they play the rancke witches , which burne any thing for to
expell deuils : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.161)

for , hath God taught to do anie such thing ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.162)

Doe they burne the thing to God , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.163)

or is it as a verie burnt sacrifice to the Deuill ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.164)

In the time of the law burnt sacrifices were offred to God :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.165)

the deuill among the heathen drewe the like to himself :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.166)

And now by his sleight he doth after some sort procure the same at
their hands , which professe to be Christians , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.167)

and thus worshipping him , he ceaseth from hurting their bodies , or
their cattell , as gaining a greater matter . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.168)

<font> M.B. </font> If it be so <paren> as I am not able to gainsay it
</paren> then be there multitudes in all places which are guiltie of
sorcerie and witchcraft . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G1V.169)

For I see many deale in matters by <P_G2R> the help and power of the
deuill , which are perswaded otherwise . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.170)

But I meruaile much at diuers things touching the help which men haue
by deuils . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.171)

Let vs conferre a little about them . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.172)

The deuill doeth know things past , & things present ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.173)

but God onelie doth know what shall bee done in the time to come .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.174)

If these cunning men doe deale with no further power , than the power
of the deuill , howe can they tell so right what shall come to passe ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.175)

<font> Dan. </font> It is peculiar to God alone , to know what shall
come to passe hereafter . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.176)

But the Lord God hath reuealed by his Prophetes , and Apostles many
thinges that after should be fulfilled . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.177)

Satan can giue a nere coniecture when these come to be fulfilled .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.178)

Hee is a most subtill obseruer of thinges , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.179)

and will gesse at many : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.180)

but especially , where hee hath power giuen him to worke and to bring
any matter about , he can and will tell it aforehand .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.181)

Finally , God in his iust iudgement giueth him power to seduce the
wicked . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.182)

<font> M.B. </font> I pray you open your meaning more fully .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.183)

<font> Dan. </font> Very well : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.184)

In which haue you any doubt ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.185)

<font> M.B. </font> I take it the Deuill gesseth at things which are
prophecied , and is a sharpe obseruer of causes .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.186)

But you said he telleth what shall be where he worketh that which he
foretelleth : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.187)

giue some example for this . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.188)

<font> Dan. </font> There needeth no better example , than that which
you tolde of the Churchwardens that went to the cunning man , to knowe
the theefe which had stollen their communion cuppe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.189)

It may be sayd , where the cunning man bad them go to such a place ,
such a night , and at such an hower , and thither shall come he that
stole the cup , how could the deuill tell it , if it were a night or
two after , that he should come to that place , and at that hower ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.190)

You muste note what power the deuill hath in the mind of a theefe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.191)

He stirred him vp to steale the cup . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.192)

He stirred vp the Churchwardens to seeke to the cunning witch .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2R.193)

Hee nameth the place and the time , whether , and when he would moue
the <P_G2V> heart of the theefe to come : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.194)

And at the time appointed hee bringeth him thither ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.195)

for he that could moue him to steale , could also by secrete suggestion
mooue him to goe thither . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.196)

The deuill told that the witch shuld come home with speed that had
bewitched the butchers son : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.197)

He that had power in her heart to make her become a witch , did know he
should haue power to make her with haste to come home .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.198)

One carieth somewhat which a sick person hath lien in to the cunning
man . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.199)

He can tell , it seemeth , by the smell of the cloth , whether the
deuil hath bene in it <paren> if it smell like his deuill </paren>
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.200)

and so telleth , the partie is bewitched . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.201)

Take the clothes which the sicke partie hath lien in ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.202)

and burne them , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.203)

if they burne blacke , then may you see it is so ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.204)

and the witch shall come in while they be a burning .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.205)

Nowe , if the Lord gaue him power , and he hath striken and tormented
the bodie of the sicke person : and if hee haue collourably stirred vp
a witch to send him : is it not an easie matter for him to make the
fire burne blacke , and to mooue the witch to come at that present ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.206)

Or if he haue power for to torment , and hath no witch to sende him ,
his great desire being to haue men guiltie of innocent blood , is it
not as easie by the permission of God , which in his iust iudgment ,
giueth him power to seduce such people as will hearken vnto deuils ,
for him to make the fire burne blacke , or at least to seeme so to them
, and to mooue some frowarde suspected woman or other to come in ,
though she be no witch ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.207)

A thousande such things hee worketh in , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.208)

and as a cunning iuggler can compasse and bring them about .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.209)

<font> M.B. </font> Indeed an innocent person may come in at such a
time : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.210)

but I haue heard , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell howe true it is ,
that therefore there is a further thing which they obserue .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.211)

And that is this , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.212)

the cunning man biddeth , set on a posnet or some pan with nayles ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.213)

and seeth them , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.214)

and the witch shal come in while they be in seething ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.215)

and within a fewe dayes after , her face will be all bescratched with
the nailes . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G2V.216)

And <P_G3R> I haue heard that some olde woman comming in , her face
hath indeed bene as it were scratched within a few dayes after ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.217)

for the shingles or such like brake forth . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.218)

<font> Dan. </font> O the depth of Satans illusions to make blinde
people becom witches , and to deale by him . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.219)

He doth know the corrupted humours in the bodie , which will breake out
into the smal pockes , or such like , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.220)

and if he can procure one to come in which is euen ready to haue them ,
what a shew doth he make , as if the nails did it ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.221)

<font> M.B. </font> This were great subtiltie of Satan .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.222)

<font> Dan. </font> Nay , we are not able to imagine the depth of his
sleights , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.223)

neither can we see the secrete force , wherwith he moueth the minds of
ignorant people , and so bringeth about his enterprises .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.224)

There doth lie the greatest cunning of Satan . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.225)

<font> M.B. </font> Indeed it seemeth strange and vncredible that the
deuil should so moue the minds of men , and lead them vnto this thing
and that thing , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.226)

and in the meane time they doe not know it , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.227)

but thinke they goe against the deuil . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.228)

But now I haue a further doubt . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.229)

I confesse it is an easie thing for the deuill to tell where a thing is
that is lost or stollen , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.230)

but what power hath he to heale that which is sick or sore ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.231)

Out of question they be innumerable which receiue helpe by going to the
cunning men . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.232)

You say he helpeth the bodie that he may destroy the soule .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.233)

Hee helpeth that men may seeke vnto him , and so set him , as it were ,
in the place of God . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.234)

Me thinketh it should not be in the power of deuilles for to helpe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.235)

<font> Dan. </font> Indeed that is well mooued ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.236)

there lieth a great sleight of the deuill in it .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.237)

You say that innumerable do receiue help by going vnto cunning men .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.238)

I warrant you not so many as you are perswaded .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.239)

<font> M.B. </font> O verie manie . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.240)

There be a number which doe neuer make it knowne , because it is
misliked by some . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3R.241)

<font> Dan. </font> Yea , and there be many which come home again
<P_G3V> with a flea in their eare , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.242)

they receiue an answere , as good as a flim flam .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.243)

<font> M.B. </font> It may be they come too late ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.244)

the matter is ouer farre spent , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.245)

and if they had come sooner , they could haue holpen them .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.246)

<font> Dan. </font> Yea , a number of such cosoning answers the deuill
maketh which satisfie ignorant people , which are $ready {TEXT:rea-} to
beleeue all that he telleth , and to daunce after his pipe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.247)

One commeth to him for his childe , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.248)

if he know the disease be deadly , he will say it is bewitched , but so
farre spent , that there is no help , the childe will hardlie liue two
daies : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.249)

the father commeth home (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.250)

and findeth his child deade , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.251)

or it dieth within two or three dayes after , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.252)

here the deuill getteth credit . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.253)

Another is sicke and grieously tormented , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.254)

hee sendeth : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.255)

Satan doth see <paren> for he sendeth them </paren> that the disease is
euen spent , and that the cause of it begin to fail , and so that the
partie in a few dayes will recouer , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.256)

here he prescribeth one paltrie or other , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.257)

they vse it , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.258)

the man is recouered , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.259)

and so should haue bene without the deuils medicine ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.260)

but now Satan hath gotten further credite . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.261)

Another is sicke (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.262)

and languisheth , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.263)

his neighbours tell him , he may be bewitched , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.264)

it is good to send , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.265)

and then he shal know . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.266)

He sendeth , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.267)

the deuill doth not know whether the sicke man can escape and recouer ,
or not . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.268)

He saith , it is like he is bewitched : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.269)

and teacheth what to doe , if there bee any help at all ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.270)

but doubteth , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.271)

and so whether the man liue or die , Satan saueth his credite whole and
sound . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.272)

And many of these answeres he giueth . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.273)

Againe , we must note that mans imagination is of great force , either
to continue a disease , or to diminish and take away some diseases .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.274)

And in this also Satan deludeth some , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.275)

for his medicine seemeth to do somwhat , when it is but the Parties
conceit . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.276)

<font> M.B. </font> These be sleights indeede : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.277)

but mee thinketh you goe farre in the last . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.278)

I doe not see how a mans conceit can help him . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G3V.279)

<P_G4R>

<font> Dan. </font> Imagination is a strong thing to hurt , all men doe
finde , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.281)

and why should it not then be strong also to help , when the parties
mind is cleared , by beleeuing fully that he receiueth ease ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.282)

<font> M.B. </font> But yet it is hard to shewe that euer anie such
cure hath bene wrought . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.283)

<font> Dan. </font> It is not hard to shew , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.284)

for that which men doe , it is presumed the deuill can doe the like .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.285)

And I haue heard of a mery companion that wrought such a cure .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.286)

Ther was one in London <paren> as report goeth </paren> which was
acquainted with Feats . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.287)

Now , this Feats had a blacke dogge , whome he called <font> Bomelius
</font> . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.288)

This partie afterward had a conceit that <font> Bomelius </font> was a
deuill , and that hee felt him within him . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.289)

He was in heauinesse , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.290)

and made his moane to one of his acquaintance , who had a merie head ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.291)

he tolde him , hee had a friend who could remooue <font> Bomelius
</font> . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.292)

Hee had him prepare a breakfast , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.293)

and he would bring him . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.294)

Then this was the cure , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.295)

he made him be stripped naked and stand by a good fire ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.296)

and though he were fatte ynough of himselfe , basted him all ouer with
butter against the fire , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.297)

and made him weare a sleeke stone next his skin vnder his bellie ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.298)

and the man had present remedie , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.299)

and gaue him afterward greate thankes . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.300)

<font> M.B. </font> I know men haue many foolish imaginations :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.301)

but though one imagination may driue out another , which is not the
curing of any disease in deed , but of an imagination : yet it doth not
followe , that where there is an appareant griefe , that a mans conceit
can helpe to cure it . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.302)

<font> Dan. </font> Yes , the conceit doth much , euen where there is
an apparant disease . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.303)

A man feareth hee is bewitched , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.304)

it troubleth al the powers of his mind , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.305)

and that distempereth his bodie , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.306)

maketh great alterations in it , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.307)

and bringeth sundrie griefes . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.308)

Now , when his minde is freed from such imaginations , his bodily
griefe which $grew {TEXT:g_rew} from the same is eased .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.309)

And a multitude of Satans cures are but such . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4R.310)

<P_G4V>

<font> M.B. </font> Nay , there be also euils which be apparant in the
bodie , and bee cured , which come not of anie feare or imagination :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.312)

how can these be cured by any conceit ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.313)

There is great reason that such griefes may be cured indeede by
quieting the minde , and did growe from the disturbance of the same .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.314)

<font> Dan. </font> Yea , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.315)

and that falleth out sometimes in griefes of the body , which doeth not
growe from imagination , but from some other passions . As I can giue
you an example , which is written and reported on by a very reuerend
learned Physitian . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.316)

The cure was done by a lewde cosening knaue in Germanie .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.317)

A woman had bleare eies that were watery . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.318)

The knaue lodging there , promised for certainty that hee would heale
them : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.319)

hee did hang a litle writing about her necke , charging strictlie ,
that it should not be taken from thence nor read , nor opened ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.320)

for if any of these were done , she could haue no help at all by it .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.321)

The woman had such a confidence in the thinge , and was so merry and
glad , that she left weeping (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.322)

<paren> for her often weeping and tears had spoiled her eies </paren>
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.323)

and so by little and litle , the moysture stayed ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.324)

and her eies were whole . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.325)

It fell out that she lost the writing , where at she was in such griefe
and sorrowe , and weeping , that her eies were sore againe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.326)

Another founde the writing , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.327)

opened it , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.328)

and read it . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.329)

It was written in the Germane tongue , to this effect translated into
English : <font> The deuill pluck out thine eies ,
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.330)

and fill their holes with dung . </font> (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.331)

Was not this , thinke you , a proper salue for to cure her eies ?
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.332)

If this medicine had taken effect , her eies shuld not haue ben healed
, but plucked quite out . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.333)

We may not think that Satan hath mo cousening tricks than al men in the
world , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.334)

for men are but his schollers . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.335)

Againe , where men faile , he can worke somewhat in the affections of
the parties mindes . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.336)

And you shall heare them say , when any charme is vsed , you must
beleeue it will helpe , or els it will doe you no good at all .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,G4V.337)

Thus if it were well seene into , <P_H1R> the greatest part of your
innumerable cures , come to bee mere cosonages .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.338)

<font> M.B. </font> Well , let all this be true as you haue saide :
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.339)

yet there be many thinges wherein the deuilles doe helpe .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.340)

What say you to the boy which healed within few daies $after {TEXT:af}
he had scratched the witch , whereas his sores were most grieuous
before , and could not be cured ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.341)

What say you to that which they doe , when butter will not come , or
when drinke will not worke in the fat ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.342)

What say you to the burning of some liue thing , as hogge or henne ,
and the harme ceassing ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.343)

And finallie , what say you to the helping of them where the deuill is
, and doth torment their bodies ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.344)

<font> Dan. </font> All these are answered in few wordes , that where
he hath power to hurt either man or beast , drinke or butter he helpeth
only by giuing place , and ceasing to hurt , which as I shewed you
before , he doth most willinglie , to bring to passe , that men may
seek to him , & become euen verie witches . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.345)

If a man be vexed & tormented by a deuil , & men seek by fasting &
prayer to cast him foorth , euen instantly intreating the Lord , the~
he goeth out with much a do , and vnwillingly , as ouercome & expelled
by the power of God . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.346)

But when he hurteth , as you say he did the butchers sonne , and they
seeke to him , and will followe his prescriptions , as to draw blood of
the witch , he goeth out willingly , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.347)

I meane he ceaseth from hurting the bodie : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.348)

for he goeth not out indeede , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.349)

but rather goeth further in , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.350)

and seateth himselfe deeper in the soule . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.351)

And so is it in all the rest . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.352)

How gladlie wil he cease to hurte the hennes , so that to please him ,
a henne may be burnt aliue ? (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.353)

his helping is no more but a ceasing from doing harme , if he had power
giuen him to hurt . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.354)

<font> Sam. </font> This is a strange thing if it be so .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.355)

There be thousands in the land deceiued . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.356)

The woman at <font> R.H. </font> by report hath some weeke fourtie come
vnto her , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.357)

and many of them not of the meaner sort . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.358)

But I doe but hinder , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.359)

I pray you go forward . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1R.360)

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<font> Dan. </font> The deuill can deceiue thousand thousands , and
euen the wisest for this world , (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.362)

when they will not be taught of God , but dispise his doctrine , then
are they iustly giuen ouer to be disciples of the deuill .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.363)

<font> M.B. </font> If there be such deceit in all these things , and
that the witches do not kill nor hurt , but the deuill craftilie
seemeth to kill and to hurt when the diseases be naturall and maketh
the witch beleeue that hee hath done all at her request . Or where God
hath giuen him power , he stirreth her vp to send him , as if either
hee could not , or would not meddle , vnles he had bene sent . Seeing
all lieth vpon Satan , it should seeme , there is no reason that
witches should be put to death : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.364)

but the scripture doth command they shuld be put to death .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.365)

<font> Dan. </font> The holy scriptures doe command that witches should
be put to death : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.366)

therein you say right : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.367)

but if you did take it , that the word of God commaundeth they shall
not be suffered to liue , because they kill men and beastes , or
because they send their spirits which possesse men , and torment their
bodies , you are much deceiued : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.368)

For you shal neuer finde , of all that haue bene tormented and plagued
by euill spirites , that the holie Ghoste layeth it vpon witches .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.369)

The causes why they should be put to death are , that they haue
familiaritie with deuils , which are the blasphemous enemies of God :
and that they seduce the people into errour , to runne after deuils ,
and deuilish practises , and that they haue such wicked minds .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.370)

Although they neuer minde to kill or to hurt any , but to doe them good
, as they imagine , yet if they deale with deuilles they ought to die
for it . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.371)

<font> M.B. </font> Then you take it , that these cunning men and women
, vnto whome so many runne for helpe , which are thought to do very
much good , and no hurt at all , ought to be rooted out , and destroyed
. (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.372)

Let vs knowe what scripture there is to it . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H1V.373)

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<font> Dan. </font> yea , of all other they ought to die , because they
doe the greatest harme . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H2R.375)

Other witches that haue spirites are thought to doe harm , because the
deuil at the appointment of God doth harme , and he beareth in hand hee
doeth it at the request of the witch : (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H2R.376)

but these that seeme to doe good , do harme indeed , and that many
wayes , as euerie one that light in him , may easily see .
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H2R.377)

And for the scriptures which shewe that they ought to die , reade first
in the 22. chapter of <font> Exodus . ver. 18. </font>
(GIFFORD-E2-P2,H2R.378)

and there it is said , <font> Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
</font> . (GIFFORD-E2-P2,H2R.379)