<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>2:48 so what else did you go to what else um tut on on monday i went to um inhales it was a women writers that's right um bub bridger um who's a poetry writer here in wellington and jenny bernholdt and coughs who else oh and lauris edmond who's written autobiography and quite a few poetry books <,> it was really good <,> i really <.>en yeah bub bridger i love her she's she's really she's just MY kind of person laughs she's got some really neat poetry and really natural too and um <.>ja <.>t tell <.>m tell me about the thing that you organised it's the beginners guide to green consumption yeah that was for veg right the veg group yeah well yeah it was part of women for the environment day women in the environment mhm but it was it was it was interesting lots of people turned up laughs all of about THREE oh you needed more publicity <&>4:00 um well there was enough about like people had written on boards and stuff but hey never mind <{><[>um no it was interesting um we just went through the green quiz and how how green are you <[>mm oh cool what were some of the questions <,> that you asked can't remember um things like er what's <,,><&>3 yeah what's the best thing to do in a car voc to stop pollution mhm um and things like minor catalytic converter or using unleaded petrol or what's a catalytic <&>pronounced catalatic <.>inv inverter <{><[>converter <[>converter sorry it just it's like a a filter it filters out carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide and <{1><[1>you know hydrogen and chloride and everything else and sulphur dioxide and the other chemicals <{2><[2>word <[1>oh <[2>are they starting to build cars with these things on them nowadays i think b m w does laughs oh right how many people <{><[>buy b m ws <[>yeah it's okay in expensive ones right <&>5:00 and then we kind of moved on on to what cos there was a speaker from wellington city council who was that larissa i don't know <,> her name it was supposed to be barbara massey but she didn't turn up so someone else did right and um mm yeah and it was kind of really interesting all about packaging and what the council's trying to do about waste tut how reduction is more important than recycling and is the wellington city council doing much about <{><[>waste <[>yeah yeah they're starting in porirua they're going to start a um a composting station which is for like green waste which is trees and stuff rather than food oh good which is left cos that's like forty percent of land fills is green waste SO they <{><[>SAID in the in the that was the women's in <[>yeah word that's right laughs that's was in um the er that women in the environment lecture that we <&>6:00 went to um they said that and the other bit was you know compost clipping you know grass clippings and things <,> and er and does that not decompose unless you have it in a <{><[>decomposing sort of thing <[><.>no yeah not not in a land fill because of all the other stuff around it so for decomposition you need things like worms and little microorganisms and because of all the toxins and stuff in landfills right it means that you can't it isn't the right environment for <{1><[1>decomposition and like you think that paper and stuff breaks down in land fills but it doesn't <,> <{2><[2>not at all it's like there's been studies in the states where they've gone through <.>land former land fills <{3><[3>and sort of seen and been able to read papers that that have been in the land fill for like sixty years <[1>mm <[2>right <[3>mm my goodness scary <.>d <.>ar like are these things going to be cos i remember that um that elderly woman in the other lecture we went to that forum discussion <&>7:00 on the environment the woman er the commissioner no she was she was the elderly lady who said i represent senior citizens who can't get to rubbish dumps or compost outlets to to get my rubbish you know a speaker or no she was just a member of the audience and i just thought that's quite an interesting point are these things going to be are these composting depots going to be in quite central places like or are they going to <{><[>be out in the suburbs <[>well well that's but that's it's only in one tip it's only in porirua but <{><[>um they're also setting up sort of like a a model garden and show you how to compost it and everything <[>mm oh good that's quite cool that's all happening next year neat oh that's good and also curbside recycling's starting next year too <,> and <.>w how how's laughs gosh we are getting our own environmental laughs knowledge expanded <&>8:00 somewhat but how's that going to work are they going to put are you just going to put all your bottles out and all your cans together and are the rubbish collectors going to have to put them in the <{><[>right bins <[>no you you have a number of bins you have like three bins where you put i'm not sure if plastics do get recycled because not very many plastics in new zealand recycle but you have a bin for bottles and a bin for <{1><[1>aluminium cans and yeah and <{2><[2>stuff and um well they we might have a bin for recycling plastic i'm not really sure <[1>each house <[2>wow mhm and um and then all your other waste gets put somewhere else right oh that's good mm but in europe and stuff they <,,> they have special bins on the street like you know for all your cos in vienna and stuff because they're all in apartments rather than houses and they don't have gardens they have like compost bins on the street where you put all your your food waste and everything <.>o and it gets collected and turned into compost so it's really cunning <&>9:00 mm that's which cos this is the thing isn't er i mean even in lovely green new zealand you have lots of um <,> lots of people that don't have gardens <.>bu bub bridger that <.>w woman that read her poetry on monday she said my garden's about the size of this table and the table would've been you know about a metre long and and she said that yeah i can't imagine that she would she'd have it full with flowers but i think a lot of people but like is i mean <,,> um no if if there's a problem that YOU can't use the compost yourself i mean why not just put it in a plastic bag and put it on on the street and saying compost take it <,> for other people to use rather than yourself if you can't if you don't have a garden <{><[>then why can't other people use it <[>oh i see you mean give your compost away to your next door neighbour sort of <{><[>thing right <[>yeah yeah i mean like just because you don't have any use for it doesn't mean that other people don't have any <{1><[1>use for it if you compost it like you have moist word wonderful compost why are we <&>10:00 talking <{2><[2>word <[1>right <[2>oh that no well i'm i'm laughing cos i've got these visions of someone <.>knocking a little old lady in a in a flat going up the road and knocking on the door and saying would you like my banana skins and my sniffs my <{1><[1>rotten tomatoes for your <{2><[2>compost laughs <{3><[3>i guess you'd have you'd have to right the ask the right person <[1>well that's <[2>that's <[3>oh no you need to make your own compost and then give it to them as as <{><[>compost <[>oh okay right right okay laughs and then after that we had another speaker about development and cooperatives and trade aid basically oh <{><[>right <[>that was quite interesting that's what you you're been at working at today mhm mm well who who was that <.>that that came up <{><[>and spoke to you <[>melanie she <.>d well <.>th part of the trade aid development group is we're organising a group of people to do public speaking for those kind of forums mhm and that's what's she doing has <.>m and has melanie travelled quite a bit all overseas and she went to school in international school in <&>11:00 england right and then came back here to university and so i suppose she's travelled in europe and stuff <{><[>naturally didn't really ask <[>mhm colin's trying to make lots of people aware of what these international co ops are doing is is that her job <{><[>to take the edge no sorry <[>no no no no no she's just a student <{><[>she's <[>oh is she <{><[>oh right <[>she's just a volunteer at the shop that's helping oh okay got you <,,> oh right cos um that article i read was also this is a very women talk but um there's this article where i read in the paper was um <,> oh it's a few weeks ago months ago but this um woman who had graduated from victoria university she has been asked to go over to one of these african um settlements and <.>sh she's got the job of setting up a whole sort of big <,> working co op for women and and she said that <&>12:00 she's going to be taking on board quite a lot <.>of you know she's going to have to be careful because she said that she was going to have to break down a lot of the stereotypes but there was that fine line between treading on a culture's um <,> tut protocol i guess customs traditions um as to what she thinks is liberating women and making them more <.>dep <,> independent and things i think you've got to realise that the that even the aid agencies are patriarchal systems i mean mhm i watched a video this week about ghana and how development agency went into into ghana and ghana is one of the few no was it was it ghana or gambia now i've showed my ignorance one or the other um <,,><&>3 they went <.>gha ghana is one of the <,> few african countries where women own land <&>13:00 mm and the aid agency with the help of the government went in there and took all the land off the women and turned it into this great big developed farm for rice and the women didn't have any land left and word they just ignored them in this kind of <{><[>way <[>and the women weren't working the rice fields they were they were but because the village chief who happened to be MALE kind of said oh yeah not a worry you can lease our land they didn't know that they weren't consulted and the age <.>a aid agency still didn't give a toss they couldn't see that that was the case i mean just because mm um it's just the difference between yeah cultures i suppose <{1><[1>in that the aid agencies didn't didn't realise wow these are women that own land that's really important we've got to keep that they just <{2><[2>went development development great let's go and develop <[1>mm <[2>they went immediately to the chief's mm right coughs <&>14:00 oh what else um <,,> i went to oh i went to a um thing on tuesday woman body image which was quite <{><[>interesting <[>oh how was that it was GOOD i i didn't make the first half because i had a lecture but the second second half so i came in half way but she sort of repeated what they had been talking about so it was quite good actually um how many people were there quite a few that's what i mean and it's it was really good and i thought the <.>f um reception to it was pretty good <,> um what were they talking about well they were talking about um i think in the first half they were talking about how strange it is that you know yeah we should logically think that these outside pressures to be thin and beautiful and have no skin problems and everything are really ludicrous and we should you know realise that and pay attention to it but she said <,> that would be quite simple um <&>15:00 but it's it's where it's usually it's usually she said where our emotions come into it and she said it's um tut you usually oh she put it really well i probably won't be able to sum it up in the same words but she said it's when it's when you sometimes <,,> tut yeah SHE said that it's how how she felt it went is that it's when people deny themselves of of their feelings like if they <.>f she said for some reason in our society it's WRONG to feel angry and it's WRONG to feel really sad and it's wrong to feel upset and lonely and we we don't think we've got it together you know we think that's abnormal so then we say as as she said then we say oh well you know if i if i had that sort of haircut or if i had those clothes if i if i had that sort of face and i was wearing that sort of perfume i'd have it all together and i wouldn't feel these things any more so <&>16:00 almost putting like you know external um <,> yeah external <.>un what do you call that <.>im immaterial aren't they they're not emotional things <.>they're instead of finding emotional fulfilment anyway you're trying to find sort of material objects to make yourself feel better and she said no wonder you know and and that's quite a i mean it might be a big generalisation but i think quite often a lot of people SHOP to make them feel SELF feel better sometimes <,> feeling really GROTTY so maybe i'll go and see if there's a nice dress in town or something <&>16:48